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06:57 PM - June 18, 2009 by Russell_Kiniry_EA

It's unfortunate that a we've allowed a few things to get by onto the disc in NCAA 10, this kind of thing bother us just as much as you guys... We do have time to work on some solutions, and here is the update as promised:

Rosters - A new file will be posted on EA locker to start and then we are planning on patching the online rosters.
Downloadable Content - The plan is to add the off/on toggle in a patch.
Game-play Sliders - Also planned on being in a patch to increase/fix the effectiveness depending on the slider.

It is extremely important to me (and everyone else on the team) to ensure that we get everything right as soon as possible. I wish I could say mistakes don't happen, but they did and we are going to do everything possible to get things right.

-Russ

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# 141 Blueblood53 @ 06/21/09 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HokiesCavs


	I guarantee you that they are aware of 99 percent of the problems that we see and are dying to fix them. There just isn't enough time in the dev cycle to fix all of it. Once you get to a certain amount of time before the release of any software package, you can not afford to alter too much code. If you do, it could break other code that could potentially render the entire game unplayable. If you're a software company, it's better to have a somewhat broken product than a completely broken product. That's just the way software development goes. If there was a longer development cycle, far fewer issues would make it into the final build. Unfortunately, EA execs(not the dev team) want a football game out every year, no matter how broken, so a longer dev cycle is never going to happen.

This is one of the few posts in this thread that is logical.

Everbody just needs to settle down. Russell said that they'll fix things.

I'd like to know why everyone is so worked up. Either buy the game or stop griping and don't buy it.

I like good games too, but still Football is Football.

I wish that these things wouldn't have to be patched, but at least they're coming.

For those of you griping, wait and buy the game when the patch comes out. Problem solved.

# 142 Blackout863 @ 06/21/09 08:38 PM

Russss sry to to say this but what happened this year is in excusable you have a year to do all this . with more and more of your fan base leaving like eligible college players for the draft aka madden. im sry but this is the second year in a row somethin dumb like this has happened. im not bashin but you need to get your ish together man.

ok now back to my normal self i had to rant really quick

# 143 tswiatkowski @ 06/23/09 11:51 AM

Ok, I would really like to see a transition year next year. I will still buy this game, because it doesnt take too much to make me happy considering how much I love CFB. Next year, I dont want to see things like SS, I'd rather see legit work on gameplay and atmosphere of the game, not just camera flashes and windsocks.

# 144 rudyjuly2 @ 06/23/09 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ODogg


	It's pretty surprising that a company of EA's size could have such poor game testing.

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Originally Posted by Cebby


	I still don't understand why they don't use you or AA for testing.

The problems in the demo and this game have nothing to do with testers. As far as I'm concerned testers catch glitches and bugs that are hard to see and in obscure areas. Since when do we need a tester to tell the game design team there is no pass rush?

Russ himself said they tuned the sliders this year. How are we to believe that when they were clearly broken? I'd love to know how the design team tested the results of this slider tuning given the fact the beta showed they were useless (and especially after all the complaints and problems with '09). Testing sliders, pass rush, qb AI, effectiveness of running games, etc. are the responsibility of the game design team and not some minimum wage kid looking for bugs. When there is a problem with major gameplay items and features it falls on the guys in charge. Let's not let them pass the buck on this.

Some of the many glitches and problems in the demo are readily apparent. So were some issues with the game from Steve's beta copy. If the main game has that many big issues, how many smaller issues will be found when the game is launched? Who cares about a tester finding the small goofy stuff that is wrong when the main areas are flawed. What's even worse is that a handful of short videos exposed major problems with the game that the design team failed to see. I'm not buying this year and I see little hope right now for next year.

# 145 fistofrage @ 06/23/09 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2


	The problems in the demo and this game have nothing to do with testers. As far as I'm concerned testers catch glitches and bugs that are hard to see and in obscure areas. Since when do we need a tester to tell the game design team there is no pass rush? Russ himself said they tuned the sliders this year. How are we to believe that when they were clearly broken? I'd love to know how the design team tested the results of this slider tuning given the fact the beta showed they were useless (and especially after all the complaints and problems with '09). Testing sliders, pass rush, qb AI, effectiveness of running games, etc. are the responsibility of the game design team and not some minimum wage kid looking for bugs. When there is a problem with major gameplay items and features it falls on the guys in charge. Let's not let them pass the buck on this. Some of the many glitches and problems in the demo are readily apparent. So were some issues with the game from Steve's beta copy. If the main game has that many big issues, how many smaller issues will be found when the game is launched? Who cares about a tester finding the small goofy stuff that is wrong when the main areas are flawed. What's even worse is that a handful of short videos exposed major problems with the game that the design team failed to see. I'm not buying this year and I see little hope right now for next year.

I completely endorse this post. Last year Russ said they hadn't touched sliders for years and weren't even sure what they did any more.

Now 2010 launches with broken sliders. I would find it very hard to believe that they even looked at the sliders this year and even if they say they will "fix" them, I highly doubt that enough time and energy will be committed to actually make them do what they are supposed to do. If they hadn't touched them in years how will they rush to fix them in a day or a week.

Buyer Beware. Thats all I'm going to say. You know the game has some problems already, I am confident more will surface once gamers start putting some significant time into it.

# 146 Russell_Kiniry_EA @ 06/23/09 01:02 PM

Ok I can finally log back in... for some reason I couldn't open OS for the last few days. And my PC here at work died.

It is entirely possible that the changes made to the sliders a few months ago got stomped on by some other changes, honestly I'm not sure how it happened yet (but we will find out). At the end of the day it did and we missed it... All I can do at this point is get it fixed.

# 147 mjussawalla @ 06/23/09 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	Ok I can finally log back in... for some reason I couldn't open OS for the last few days. And my PC here at work died. It is entirely possible that the changes made to the sliders a few months ago got stomped on by some other changes, honestly I'm not sure how it happened yet (but we will find out). At the end of the day it did and we missed it... All I can do at this point is get it fixed.

We know you guys are doing your best. Go Gett'em Bugs

# 148 da ThRONe @ 06/23/09 01:24 PM

I hate to be insensitive because the truth is I know nothing about making a videogame. But I know that there are way to many problems and even more excuses.

# 149 Russell_Kiniry_EA @ 06/23/09 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe


	I hate to be insensitive because the truth is I know nothing about making a videogame. But I know that there are way to many problems and even more excuses.

I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that.

Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself.

We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

# 150 Geauxldenboy @ 06/23/09 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	Ok I can finally log back in... for some reason I couldn't open OS for the last few days. And my PC here at work died. It is entirely possible that the changes made to the sliders a few months ago got stomped on by some other changes, honestly I'm not sure how it happened yet (but we will find out). At the end of the day it did and we missed it... All I can do at this point is get it fixed.

Is there any testing video that you can show us that demonstrates how the game would play with the previous changes that you referenced? I think that would ease some of the concerns that people have.

# 151 Geauxldenboy @ 06/23/09 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

No disrespect intended Russ because I realize that while you and Adam are the guys who post here, these things don't always fall on ya'll. In my opinion, you see lots of posts like Throne's because there have been issues with the latest versions of NCAA that appear to us like things that should have been caught before the games went gold and got released.

# 152 sportzbro @ 06/23/09 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

Russ, I agree that what you're doing is not an excuse, but the fact remains that something major has gone wrong the past couple of years with the game... And now this year we have bogus sliders & broken rosters that we still aren't sure about.. What is going on in Tiburon studios?..

I realize that you & Adam aren't the ones we should point the finger at all the time, but you are the only ones that post at OS.. its hard to accept that basic elements get essentially overlooked year after year, yet not have the actual people responsible come in here and explain.

I dont know, maybe more departments from the dev. team should create OS accounts so that you don't get this type of heat day in and day out.. It would probably improve the game as well.

As you said, I'm as frustrated with this as you are..

# 153 jfsolo @ 06/23/09 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

If someone had wrote this into a movie script it would be considered too cliched. The things that ended up being bugged are the are the exact hot button areas that would make people go insane.

The Rosters, the default pass rush pressure, and the sliders. If pursuit angles would have glitched out too, it would have been the perfect storm.

You're always going to have the Usual Suspects waiting to take their shots(many have posted in this thread already), but with the unbelievable bad luck(I'm giving the benefit of the doubt) of it being these specific issues, even those who are usually more diplomatic are lining up to fire off some salvos, letting the rhetoric fly.

# 154 rudyjuly2 @ 06/23/09 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjake62505


	Until there are rules and regulations put on all software releases this will not change. Its not just EA, almost all the new software that is released is glitchy or broken at release. Its is very disapointing and the sad fact is they know all the issues at release. The "patch" is supposed to be used to fix MINOR issues, but most companies use it as a crutch.

I agree. The patch era has certainly hurt the quality of games at release. It's a double edged sword since I like the fact they can fix problems but it turns the consumer into a free beta tester which can be really frustrating.

# 155 da ThRONe @ 06/23/09 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA


	I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

Im not trying single to you and/or Adam out(it appear that you guys are the only ones that care). I was talking about the whole dev team but especially the final decision maker over NCAA. I think certain things should take priority over others. Its great that Team Builder work but it shouldnt take priority over the rosters. And thats what I mean by excuses the is no reason for the pass rush to be almost as ineffective as 09 but Im sure theres no glicthes in Season Showdown.

# 156 rudyjuly2 @ 06/23/09 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe


	Im not trying single to you and/or Adam out(it appear that you guys are the only ones that care). I was talking about the whole dev team but especially the final decision maker over NCAA.

Da Throne, there are quite a few EA devs on the boards just lurking. They cannot create an OS account and post on OS as EA reps unless they are cleared by the marketing department. Adam and Russ are the only ones allowed to talk here at the moment. Everyone else must stay silent whether they want to or not.

# 157 sportzbro @ 06/23/09 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdmo9999


	Season Showdown has a sponsor and that is why it has gotten the most attention, its as simple as that. Its sad to see but it is a theme in modern games and with the economy the way it is I'm sure EA would love to make any money they can. Hell last year Coke sponsored audibles. I thought that was the stupidest thing ever until this year.

Ha, didn't someone say they should get a sponsor for sliders?

# 158 da ThRONe @ 06/23/09 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2


	Da Throne, there are quite a few EA devs on the boards just lurking. They cannot create an OS account and post on OS as EA reps unless they are cleared by the marketing department. Adam and Russ are the only ones allowed to talk here at the moment. Everyone else must stay silent whether they want to or not.

Ok well i apologize to any lurkers!lol I wasnt aware of this!

# 159 mjussawalla @ 06/23/09 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjake62505


	You know what is funny? I can remember last year when NCAA 09 came out it was the same posts from guys on here, about the same issues! I am not mad really just very disapointed. I really thought that this year everything would come together. No re-design of player models or stadiums. No huge areas that needed to be re-done. I just can't see where the development time was put into this years game. I guess team builder and season showdown took most of the time. Protak must have took a lot of time to have 2 player tackles? I really have no idea why the same issues are in 10.

I've said it before, but I think a large percentage of people who worked on 09 were not around for 10. My guess is there were budget cuts. Thus, we only saw minor improvements.

Though I think 10 for me is a must buy.

# 160 boritter @ 06/23/09 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BORN4CORN


	Ha, didn't someone say they should get a sponsor for sliders?

I would be pumped if the game had :

formation subs sponsored by Coke Zero
historic teams sponsored by Pontiac
custom playbooks sponsored by Old Spice
spring game sponsored by Operation Sports

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