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Madden NFL 10 Blog: A Deeper Look Into Pass Blocking

06:28 PM - May 11, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

The new Madden NFL 10 blog is online, taking a deeper look into pass blocking.

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	"Hello Madden faithful - it's Monday, and it�s time for another blog! This week we'll be following up a little bit on the last PRO-TAK blog [link]. We covered gang tackling in detail last time, so for this blog we thought we�d dig a little deeper on our pass blocking, and also mention how PRO-TAK�s dynamic steering technology will help take our blocking a little bit farther into that next level that we know we need to hit of realism. At the top of nearly every community wish list for the past 3+ years has been OL/DL interaction�so this year we�re proud to say we�ve spent a really good amount of time improving this area, and we�ve also built a strong foundation that we can continue to add on to in the future."

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# 181 Sigma4Life @ 05/12/09 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA


	Hmm...again, seems obvious to me, but maybe I'm not explaining it well. See attached image... Attachment 15626 In real life, unless that guy is getting held, there is no reason why he can't chase after the ballcarrier after he's ran past him. Instead he's trapped in a really long animation...without the ability to branch out or 'steer', you can't control how the defense reacts to the play.

Hopefully the game will consider another scenario where it's difficult for a defender to disengage. When a big lineman is pushing a defender what sometimes happens when the defender attempts to disengage is he gets shoved to the ground (pancaked) by the blocker. This should happen pretty often when getting blocked by a good run blocker who is much stronger than the defender.

This is where technique is really important. A good defender will keep the blocker at arm's length, basically not letting the blocker get into his chest. This allows him to disengage quickly without much resistance from the blocker. Demarcus Ware is great at this.

# 182 ridemooses @ 05/12/09 01:58 PM

I'm loving this so far! It actually looks like if a RB is running towards the corner and you are on that outside part as a DL you can actually get OFF THE BLOCK and get to him! Hopefully this is just a start like Ian said there's a lot more that can be fine tuned with this but hopefully User Sacks will actually happen in this years Madden, maybe.

# 183 LBzrule @ 05/12/09 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tito78


	So the accuracy took a hit while throwing on the run, is it similar to the accuracy hit in 2k8 ?? Were you permitted to hold the sprint button/trigger and throw simultaneously; did the QB have to set his feet to throw accurately ? This is was stopped the roll and chuck in 2k8; it was simply impossible to consistently complete passes while throwing on the run. Basically will the roll and chuck in madden finally be dead and buried come 8.14.09 ? How about McNabb, Vince Young or Romo ?

No I was still able to throw it while sprinting, but it was terribly overthrown even when my WR was wide open and had beaten the coverage. I'm not going to promise the roll and chuck to be gone, but if they speed up the pocket setup how I like, you can forget roll and chuck. You'd barely be able to roll.

As for McNabb, Young and those guys, I didn't get a chance to test with them or play against them.

# 184 dasg @ 05/12/09 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arhymemaster


	Ngata is a really good player, but hes not a pass rushing specialist. And I hope that was just a demostration, because I sure don't wanna see Ngata kill 80-85+ rated pass blocking lineman like they are nothing 1 on 1.

thats because ngata plays in a 34 and his assignment is to command double team most of the times, not to sack the QB.

# 185 NYyankz225 @ 05/12/09 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	No I was still able to throw it while sprinting, but it was terribly overthrown even when my WR was wide open and had beaten the coverage. I'm not going to promise the roll and chuck to be gone, but if they speed up the pocket setup how I like, you can forget roll and chuck. You'd barely be able to roll. As for McNabb, Young and those guys, I didn't get a chance to test with them or play against them.

I think this is the best solution. I'd hate for them to get rid of the option to sprint and throw like 2k, because you should have the choice to do it. It's just that the penalty should be so bad that you wouldn't dare do it regularly. Sounds like accuracy is more important now

# 186 LBzrule @ 05/12/09 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	I think this is the best solution. I'd hate for them to get rid of the option to sprint and throw like 2k, because you should have the choice to do it. It's just that the penalty should be so bad that you wouldn't dare do it regularly. Sounds like accuracy is more important now .

Keep in mind this was with Flacco though. I'm not sure how much more accurate higher rated guys in the throw on the run category will be. It could be negated by deep ball accuracy though.

# 187 TombSong @ 05/12/09 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	I think this is the best solution. I'd hate for them to get rid of the option to sprint and throw like 2k, because you should have the choice to do it. It's just that the penalty should be so bad that you wouldn't dare do it regularly. Sounds like accuracy is more important now .

In 2K you do know you CAN sprint and throw with QBs that CAN sprint and throw ? When you try with a QB thats a pocket passer, your throws are off target or badly thrown.

# 188 CreatineKasey @ 05/12/09 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TombSong


	In 2K you do know you CAN sprint and throw with QBs that CAN sprint and throw ? When you try with a QB thats a pocket passer, your throws are off target or badly thrown.

You can definitely sprint and throw in 2k... but only players with that realistic ability can do so. Marino = no

Elway = Yes

# 189 Sauk @ 05/12/09 05:58 PM

That was always something I liked about 2k was their quarterback play. I think it accurately represented the play. And this is coming from a qb

# 190 LBzrule @ 05/12/09 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tito78


	If the ball was terribly over thrown when holding the sprint button, then that will basically neutralize the roll and chuck. At community day, did you throw off of you back at all; did you throw without the QB setting his feet ? If so, how stiff was the accuracy penalty ?

Yeah I thew off my back foot. On every throw I did this it was incomplete except for one and I wasn't too happy about that one. Basically Flacco spinned around in the air and threw it back across his body. It floated a little, but since it was man coverage no one was in the middle and my WR was running an in route and I was able to get under it and catch it. Wasn't too happy about that one, but it only occurred once.

# 191 Valdarez @ 05/12/09 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TombSong


	In 2K you do know you CAN sprint and throw with QBs that CAN sprint and throw ? When you try with a QB thats a pocket passer, your throws are off target or badly thrown.

In APF2K8 it depends on your definition of sprint. You can move and throw yes, but the QB is not running at full speed. You have to pull RT down to change to run mode to get the full speed thing going, at which point you can tap A for a speed boost as well. If you want to throw, then you have to release RT, at which point you being slowing down again. So you throw while moving, but probably not when you are at your top speed.

# 192 Mofficial @ 05/12/09 09:25 PM

This blog is amazing... very reassuring. Thanks a bunch Ian.

# 193 Team Major @ 05/12/09 11:39 PM

THIS WHAT WISH FOR ON MADDEN..........I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE LITTLE STUFF LIKE HAVE THERE SHIRT GET UN TUCK WHEN SOMEBODY GRAB IT AND WHEN SOMEBODY HIT THE GROUND HAVE LIKE THEM BLEEDING A LITTLE BIT

# 194 g2thecore @ 05/12/09 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Major


	THIS WHAT WISH FOR ON MADDEN..........I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE LITTLE STUFF LIKE HAVE THERE SHIRT GET UN TUCK WHEN SOMEBODY GRAB IT AND WHEN SOMEBODY HIT THE GROUND HAVE LIKE THEM BLEEDING A LITTLE BIT

I wish you would stop using the CAPS LOCK key.

# 195 Valdarez @ 05/12/09 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tito78


	I knew I wasn't crazy.

No man. You are still crazy, but that's a different story.

The biggest thing for a QB when scrambling in APF2K8 is getting your shoulders set. The QB is going to throw better when running at a consistent speed, not when they are accelerating, decelerating, or making a cut/turn, because their shoulders typically aren't as square. It's a pretty amazing system for determining a quarterback's throwing accuracy.

# 196 Rocky @ 05/13/09 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tito78


	That's good to hear; this is what will really bury the roll and chuck. If the the QB is penalized for throwing while sprinting and/or off of their back foot, players will be wise to stay in the pocket, so the QB can set his feet and throw.

I don't think it will. What cheesers do right now in Madden is roll out the pocket, set their shoulders, and throw passes with Tom Brady like accuracy.

Of course, nothing would be wrong with this if they couldn't virtually do it at will. The bottom line is that as long as the QB turn, move, and sprint faster than the DE gets off his animations.......roll and chuck will live to see another day.

# 197 TombSong @ 05/13/09 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Valdarez


	No man. You are still crazy, but that's a different story. The biggest thing for a QB when scrambling in APF2K8 is getting your shoulders set. The QB is going to throw better when running at a consistent speed, not when they are accelerating, decelerating, or making a cut/turn, because their shoulders typically aren't as square. It's a pretty amazing system for determining a quarterback's throwing accuracy.

Right, because what QB on the planet can throw at top speed ? No one in the world can throw with a good degree of accuracy or distance while they are sprinting(accelerating). Your feet have to be set to get some mustard on the ball. Any pass over 20 yards while running is going to be a duck, even for peyton manning.

2K has it right. You can sprint to a spot but to throw with accuracy you have to set your feet. Stabler/Cunningham/Elway and a few others can make throws while you are rolling out with accuracy but they also lose distance on how far they can throw.

# 198 roadman @ 05/13/09 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EA_Sports_is_Garbage


	You mean Madden might actually have a pocket this year? Doubtful 95% of Madden players roll out the nonexistent pocket and bomb it downfield. That is the standard for playing Madden. As Valderez stated, APF 2K8 has it spot on. You want sim football? Purchase APF 2K8 You want fake, glitchy football that blinds the consumer with NFL teams and logos, purchase Madden. Which do you choose?

Thanks for the sound advice. I'll take it under advisement.

# 199 kwas676 @ 05/13/09 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EA_Sports_is_Garbage


	You mean Madden might actually have a pocket this year? Doubtful 95% of Madden players roll out the nonexistent pocket and bomb it downfield. That is the standard for playing Madden. As Valderez stated, APF 2K8 has it spot on. You want sim football? Purchase APF 2K8 You want fake, glitchy football that blinds the consumer with NFL teams and logos, purchase Madden. Which do you choose?

PLZ PEOPLE I KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADING DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME JUST MOVE ON.

# 200 Rocky @ 05/13/09 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TombSong


	Right, because what QB on the planet can throw at top speed ? No one in the world can throw with a good degree of accuracy or distance while they are sprinting(accelerating). Your feet have to be set to get some mustard on the ball. Any pass over 20 yards while running is going to be a duck, even for peyton manning. 2K has it right. You can sprint to a spot but to throw with accuracy you have to set your feet. Stabler/Cunningham/Elway and a few others can make throws while you are rolling out with accuracy but they also lose distance on how far they can throw.

Last gen Madden had it right too. The greatest Madden game ever--Madden 2003 had the sprint button as a icon for the WR and it was difficult to roll and chuck or go back 20 yards and throw.

Then came the abysmal called Madden 2004.

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