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Three Things MVP 05 Still Does Better

04:19 PM - May 7, 2009 by RaychelSnr

MLB 09: The Show has been out for over a month, and many baseball gaming enthusiasts have hailed the game as the best baseball video game ever. As a baseball elitist myself, there is no denying that the game is extremely impressive.

It has been five solid years since I have enjoyed a baseball game as much as this year's iteration of The Show. Because of this enjoyment level, I have found myself glued to my PS3 cultivating my Road to the Show career and running a somewhat successful Detroit Tigers dynasty.

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# 141 bkrich83 @ 05/10/09 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SFGiantsPBA


	I think High Heat 2001, 2002 and 2003 was a better game then MVP but MVP added innovation to Baseball and for OP to call High Heat an arcade game is just wrong MVP was way more on the Arcade side of things then High Heat was. I always thought of The Show as the best of the 2 games High Heat type of Sim with MVP Meters and such. Anyone that knows anything about baseball will tell you nothing comes close to it like The Show and The Show is the only game that makes me see things on a real MLB game and say that's just like The Show. I have been playing baseball games since I was a child and I'm 40 now and no game have I played was so Sim like the real thing as The Show none. I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that. MVP was a real fun time and I ran leagues with that game all year round with every MLB Version and had a blast but it don't even come close to The Show. High Heat arcade my ***!

Completely agree with all points.

# 142 SFGiantsPBA @ 05/11/09 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Completely agree with all points.

Thanks, anyone that knows anything about the games of this past decade knows nothing touched High Heat in it's era and no game played sim but High Heat and all the rest I mean all the rest where all arcade type games.

MVP was EA's attempt to get more sim an away from the total arcade Triple Play brought.

So when I read simple things like High Heat being arcade and hitting and pitching better in MVP then The Show I read from someone that really doesn't know WTF he is talking about.

# 143 Yankees_CT @ 05/11/09 08:51 AM

This article blew my mind, MVP better then the show...and in hitting of all things!!! People really need to move on from MVP. I have the game, the PC game and I utilize all the tools at MVPmods and it still does not come close to the Show on any level. It was a great game for it's time and for people who do not like spending money on videogames every year, it is great that the community is keeping it fresh but to try and compare with the Show is insane. This, sorry, fanboy article should be in the MVP forum so everyone there can agree and mark out to it. Again, I was a big fan and still am of MVP but C'MON!!!

# 144 k_bassuka @ 05/11/09 10:57 AM

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I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that.
quote]

I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke).

Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB.

Just because this game is good for you (or you are not that good to beat the dumb CPU in the show) doesn't mean that is going to be the same for everyone else, I'm glad you and many others are getting your money's worth for some of us this game has too many unrealistic things tend to be repetitive and the big problem is that most of those issues were found since 07 and still they haven't attempt to fix them, too me that makes this game just good at best, and no I'm not going to play MVP 05 and I may give this game another try latter on but for now I'm putting this game away.

I believe that the Moderators were the ones that put this article in this thread, so bashing on the guy that wrote the article is not going to make it go away, if anything complain to the ones that place it here the Moderators.

# 145 ehh @ 05/11/09 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Acedeck


	The hitting in MVP allowed you to control how you wanted to push/pull various pitches, but didn't allow you to aim where you wanted to swing. The same counter-argument could be made that it didn't allow precision with your swing, since controlling where you swing is equally as important as controlling how you swing. MVP allowed you to uppercut, swing down, swing level, and push/pull pitches. It didn't let you actually aim where your bat swung. That's a huge fault in a swinging system, in my humble opinion. I'm not saying The Show gives you 100% control of your swing. I'm simply stating my point that MVP by no means contained 100% control, like the OP seems to imply.

Actually it did let you aim your swing, that's a huge misconception with MVP. I've hit moon shot home runs while pressing down-and-away on the joystick and hitting a low-n-away curveball. I've pulled outside pitches for homers by pressing the stick to the right with a right-handed batter. Even read the instruction booklet, IIRC it tells you that's how the swing system works.

IMO the only downsides to MVP's hitting are:

1) Too easy to make contact
2) Can't hit pitches outside of the strike zone
3) Hit variety could be better but it's not bad (at least there are more doubles and triples than MLB '09)

# 146 Knight165 @ 05/11/09 11:49 AM

[quote=k_bassuka;2039551829]

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFGiantsPBA


	I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that. quote] I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke). Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB. Just because this game is good for you (or you are not that good to beat the dumb CPU in the show) doesn't mean that is going to be the same for everyone else, I'm glad you and many others are getting your money's worth for some of us this game has too many unrealistic things tend to be repetitive and the big problem is that most of those issues were found since 07 and still they haven't attempt to fix them, too me that makes this game just good at best, and no I'm not going to play MVP 05 and I may give this game another try latter on but for now I'm putting this game away. I believe that the Moderators were the ones that put this article in this thread, so bashing on the guy that wrote the article is not going to make it go away, if anything complain to the ones that place it here the Moderators.

Wah!

Here are the three things that MVP does better.
1.It's on PC
2.It has an editor that works on a PC and...umm...hmm....
3. The fielding

...the glorious fielding...the best fielding...THE FIELDING RULES IN MVP are you BLIND!!

(oh...forget that pre-fielding the pitching BLOWS!...yawn...rock back..throw a strike top right corner...rock back...throw a strike lower left corner....oh...I need to throw a ball...let me close my eyes and hold the controller with my feet!)
...but let's not get carried away.

Yes....there are parts of this game that need attention.....nobody is or can deny that....and in that context I guess this article is a nice diversion and a good read.

M.K.
Knight165

# 147 SoxFan01605 @ 05/11/09 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by steelcurtain311


	If you make a thread saying MVP still does things better than the Show, what is the end result going to be? MVP vs. MLB arguments. Period. If someone didn't want that, this thread should of been closed immediately. It is a privilege to post with devs, but I don't get it, they want just want to hear the positives? We're not supposed to give any criticism or like any games better than the Show or else we get banned? Why bother being on the forums then? I think we're all perfectly mature enough to talk about MVP vs. The Show positives and negatives, or at least I would hope so.

lol...Apparently not.

The issue isn't discussing The Show's positives and negatives, it's a matter of context. This "article" was factually inaccurate and clearly slanted. That's fine, it is an opinion piece, and they certainly have their place. It's the subtext by both the writer and other MVP fans (after some facts were sorted out by the developer) that is problematic.

The trouble with posting it here is that it goes 100% against the rules we were all told to follow about pitting one game against another. Straight comparison is one thing, but when you misrepresent facts in those comparisons, it becomes a pointless debate, and of course it will draw negativity...which I thought was kind of the point of those rules in the first place.

This whole thing is laced with double standards, hypocrasy and, more on-topic, opinions masquerading as fact. And yes, I recognize that there is some blind loyalty in here for The Show as well...that's to be expected though, given the forum...lol.

So yes, we should be able to discuss positives and negatives. It should be, however, in proper context and without blind loyalty and nostalgia for a completely different product.

EDIT: And BTW, as I said much earlier, none of that is a knock on writer himself. I enjoy opinion pieces whether I agree or not (and it was relatively well written too). It's just the way that opinions somehow got misconstrued as fact, that is an issue (again, my opinion).

Plus, as others have said countless times...if this was "Three Things The Show Does Better than 2K9" or vice-versa in each game's respective forum, the poster would have his thread locked and probably be carded...lol

# 148 SoxFan01605 @ 05/11/09 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by steelcurtain311


	I know what you mean, the article was a bunch of crap for the most part. Some of it was true, but most of it was just "fanboyism" at its finest. But then again, look where we're posting at. While other people exaggerate the greatness of past games like MVP, plenty of people do the same with the Show here, and they surely aren't going to get their threads closed for it.

lol...I actually edited my post to cover that right before you posted this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	And yes, I recognize that there is some blind loyalty in here for The Show as well...that's to be expected though, given the forum...lol.

Anyway, I agree to an extent. The truth of the matter is though, ANY thread that any of us create pitting one game against another, REGARDLESS of the forum, has gotten locked eventually. Heck, there was even a rules reminder type thread posted by the mods to try and curb there creation. There are some things best left alone, IMO.

The point is, this could have easlily been avoided with either:

A. a little bit of foresight.

B. some moderation

C. Bot A and B...lol.

It should have been posted in the MVP forum and then you avoid all of this silliness. Then, if Show "fanboys" go into the MVP thread to stir stuff up (as some MVP fans have done here), you handle that accordingly (like what should have been done here

# 149 SFGiantsPBA @ 05/11/09 03:59 PM

[quote=Knight165;2039552027]

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Originally Posted by k_bassuka


	Wah! Here are the three things that MVP does better. 1.It's on PC 2.It has an editor that works on a PC and...umm...hmm.... 3. The fielding...the glorious fielding...the best fielding...THE FIELDING RULES IN MVP are you BLIND!! (oh...forget that pre-fielding the pitching BLOWS!...yawn...rock back..throw a strike top right corner...rock back...throw a strike lower left corner....oh...I need to throw a ball...let me close my eyes and hold the controller with my feet!) ...but let's not get carried away. Yes....there are parts of this game that need attention.....nobody is or can deny that....and in that context I guess this article is a nice diversion and a good read. M.K. Knight165

Yeah I know I don't get these guys may be they have only played MVP and can't figure out The Show and WTF calling High Heat arcade that pure stupidity.

Compared to The Show yeah High Heat is more on the arcade side but go back in time and High Heat was the only sim game out there and IMO MVP being fun as hell was not sim but a new era of a game and High Heat had gone away with the death of 3D0 then that repeated as MVP died and The Show stepped up.

This article is like saying my 2004 Sanyo CRT flat screen is better then my 2009 Sony XBR LCD.

# 150 ianlast @ 05/11/09 06:44 PM

I can't be the first one who noticed this; the lyrics to "Tessie" make no mention of "royal ruler".

"Tessie was the royal rooters rally cry
Tessie was the tune they always sung"

Great article, but that last part was face-palm worthy.

# 151 bkrich83 @ 05/11/09 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k_bassuka


	I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke). Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB.

# 152 pfunk880 @ 05/11/09 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ianlast


	I can't be the first one who noticed this; the lyrics to "Tessie" make no mention of "royal ruler". "Tessie was the royal rooters rally cry Tessie was the tune they always sung" Great article, but that last part was face-palm worthy.

Haha, I noticed that too earlier today, and it looked funny to me, but I couldn't recall with certainty if it was wrong or not.

BK, I will also call shenanigans. I have played four games so far: an 8-6 win (with six combined homers), a 2-1 win (scored an an excuse me swing back towards the pitcher that essentially ended up being a squeeze), a 10-1 loss, and a 7-6 win (scored two in the ninth against the closer). Maybe I'm just lucky, but I'm seeing plenty of realism and variety. Most importantly, I'm having fun.

I had some fun games on MVP too, but none that I can remember were as good as the one I just played on The Show.

# 153 Ruffy @ 05/12/09 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkrich83

Gotta agree with that!

I love the guys that say the game sucks soo bad! But hey I have 90 games played and by the way im the best...on legend.

If i have a game that sucks....i don't play it. I trade it in right away or hold on to it and hope for a game saving patch (err Socom Confrontation).

My problem with OS sometimes is that some content is not an "article" its an opinion piece....which is fine...label it as such!

# 154 pfunk880 @ 05/12/09 02:07 AM

For the record, the more I'm playing with The Show's hitting system, the more I love it. IMO, it feels so much more rewarding and realistic.

# 155 bkrich83 @ 05/12/09 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruffy


	Gotta agree with that! I love the guys that say the game sucks soo bad! But hey I have 90 games played and by the way im the best...on legend. If i have a game that sucks....i don't play it. I trade it in right away or hold on to it and hope for a game saving patch (err Socom Confrontation). My problem with OS sometimes is that some content is not an "article" its an opinion piece....which is fine...label it as such!

Not to mention I have a hard time believing on legend with hitting sliders at zero, he's hitting .350 as a team with several guys over 50 HR's. and the entire team over 15 HR's He's never struck out more than 3 times in a game, and has never had a 2-1 or 1-0 ball game.

Just doesn't add up..

# 156 SFGiantsPBA @ 05/12/09 04:51 AM

[quote=k_bassuka;2039551829]

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFGiantsPBA


	I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that. quote] I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke). Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB. Just because this game is good for you (or you are not that good to beat the dumb CPU in the show) doesn't mean that is going to be the same for everyone else, I'm glad you and many others are getting your money's worth for some of us this game has too many unrealistic things tend to be repetitive and the big problem is that most of those issues were found since 07 and still they haven't attempt to fix them, too me that makes this game just good at best, and no I'm not going to play MVP 05 and I may give this game another try latter on but for now I'm putting this game away. I believe that the Moderators were the ones that put this article in this thread, so bashing on the guy that wrote the article is not going to make it go away, if anything complain to the ones that place it here the Moderators.

I smell Bull****!

# 157 k_bassuka @ 05/12/09 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruffy


	Gotta agree with that! I love the guys that say the game sucks soo bad! But hey I have 90 games played and by the way im the best...on legend.

That's because I love baseball and there's not another game out there I can play, like I mention earlier I'm not going to play MVP and it took me that many games to finally put the half show to rest.

Quote:


	Not to mention I have a hard time believing on legend with hitting sliders at zero, he's hitting .350 as a team with several guys over 50 HR's. and the entire team over 15 HR's He's never struck out more than 3 times in a game, and has never had a 2-1 or 1-0 ball game. Just doesn't add up..

Quote:


	I smell Bull****!

Why not?

Let me guess, because you play on all-star and still s*** at it.

# 158 nyisles16 @ 05/12/09 10:47 AM

Closing.. Discussion went way off track

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