12:50 AM - February 27, 2008 by rm217
Vetzballin.com has posted their Major League Baseball 2K8 Game of The Week: Red Sox vs. Rockies, which includes some screenshots and a video clip showing a full 9 innings of play.
MLB 2K8 News Post
12:50 AM - February 27, 2008 by rm217Member Comments
# 121
stealyerface @ 02/27/08 02:33 PM
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SYF
# 122
specialman @ 02/27/08 02:38 PM
This forum has really changed over the years. Useless fanboyism was never tolerated previously, yet this entire topic is littered with it.
Does the game have issues? Yes.
Is The Show the messiah of all baseball games? No, it has issues too.
Me, I never really liked The Show, it always felt scripted, not enough user control and this year's version seems similar. Does The Show have good presentation? That's an understatement, it's fantastic, but for me, as I said, it always felt scripted, kinda like High Heat. Some people LOVED High Heat, I always felt it seemed scripted.
The 2K baseball games put almost all of the control in the users hand, starting with the new pitching mechanic. And while they may have taken aiming out this year, who in baseball aims when they hit anyway? Unless you're sacrificing, baseball is a spontaneous sport, you hit it where it's at, which is why I preferred zone hitting. However, seeing as 2K has added 12-16 frames of actual ball-hitting physics, this may alleviate that issue.
For those of you who honestly feel that The Show is the messiah of baseball video-gaming, go into that forum and discuss it. Stay out of here, you cause nothing but animosity towards other users and make yourself look . . . well, stupid.
Does the game have issues? Yes.
Is The Show the messiah of all baseball games? No, it has issues too.
Me, I never really liked The Show, it always felt scripted, not enough user control and this year's version seems similar. Does The Show have good presentation? That's an understatement, it's fantastic, but for me, as I said, it always felt scripted, kinda like High Heat. Some people LOVED High Heat, I always felt it seemed scripted.
The 2K baseball games put almost all of the control in the users hand, starting with the new pitching mechanic. And while they may have taken aiming out this year, who in baseball aims when they hit anyway? Unless you're sacrificing, baseball is a spontaneous sport, you hit it where it's at, which is why I preferred zone hitting. However, seeing as 2K has added 12-16 frames of actual ball-hitting physics, this may alleviate that issue.
For those of you who honestly feel that The Show is the messiah of baseball video-gaming, go into that forum and discuss it. Stay out of here, you cause nothing but animosity towards other users and make yourself look . . . well, stupid.
I know that it's overcast in the video but why aren't the lights on?
I always wondered about that. other than that, it looks great to me.
I always wondered about that. other than that, it looks great to me.
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Are people upset because Papelbon comes in to face one hitter in the eighth.
And then the argument seems to be, "Well, he's come in the 8th before." And the counter is, "Francona will never do that. He's got a slow hook."
I'm not sure how else to put this so it makes sense so I'll just say it the way I've always heard it. No video game knows names. They only know ratings and numbers.
2k or The Show, for example, don't know who Papelbon is or what he's done. They don't know that Francona has a slow hook (though this is something I would love to see be implemented in future games. Managers with ratings). All they know is that it's a close game the best hitter in the lineup is up and the closer is warm and ready to enter the game.
Enter closer to shut the thing down.
And someone can sue me later for not using commas where needed or question marks to end an interrogative statement.
# 128
Flaxseed Oil @ 02/27/08 02:58 PM
not sure if anyone saw my post, with all of the arguing going on...
They have posted links in "better quality" if anyone wants to download them. I cant because I am at work, but I am assuming they are in HD.
They have posted links in "better quality" if anyone wants to download them. I cant because I am at work, but I am assuming they are in HD.
# 129
specialman @ 02/27/08 03:01 PM
After watching a few innings, I'm loving the way the game is playing, though I do have a few issues:
- Through 6 innings of play, I've seen two 3-0 counts by the user to the cpu. Both times, the cpu swung on a 3-0 count. I didn't really care for that, they need to be a bit more patient waiting for the walk.
- As usual, the announcers hurt and will be turned off.
- The crowd, while better than last year, still needs a lot of work.
- I understand they needed to cut down on people in the crowd this year to make sure they got a constant 60 FPS, but it doesn't look like there's more than like a thousand people in the crowd. While it's understandable to get the 60 FPS, it's just something I noticed on foul balls.
A few other things:
- to me, the ball does NOT seem to slow down while it reaches the plate. Maybe it's just some of you guys "fabricating" things to not like about the game. Furthermore, you could always, ya know, make the pitch speed faster.
- Not sure what it is, but I also saw that flashing light a few times, not sure what it signifies.
- Not really too many hits, though 6 innings, it's 2-1, all 3 runs scored on home runs and really no small ball, but again, games vary, the next game the guy played might've had more small ball in it.
- Through 6 innings of play, I've seen two 3-0 counts by the user to the cpu. Both times, the cpu swung on a 3-0 count. I didn't really care for that, they need to be a bit more patient waiting for the walk.
- As usual, the announcers hurt and will be turned off.
- The crowd, while better than last year, still needs a lot of work.
- I understand they needed to cut down on people in the crowd this year to make sure they got a constant 60 FPS, but it doesn't look like there's more than like a thousand people in the crowd. While it's understandable to get the 60 FPS, it's just something I noticed on foul balls.
A few other things:
- to me, the ball does NOT seem to slow down while it reaches the plate. Maybe it's just some of you guys "fabricating" things to not like about the game. Furthermore, you could always, ya know, make the pitch speed faster.
- Not sure what it is, but I also saw that flashing light a few times, not sure what it signifies.
- Not really too many hits, though 6 innings, it's 2-1, all 3 runs scored on home runs and really no small ball, but again, games vary, the next game the guy played might've had more small ball in it.
# 130
stealyerface @ 02/27/08 03:03 PM
Yank, you know the killer in all of this? Had the CPU left in Oki, and he had given up a 500 foot yak to Holliday, the same bridge-support dwellers would have made a comment on the best closer in baseball being ready to go, and the CPU not using him. It was a no-win situation either way. I, for one, LOVED the fact that the CPU had the logic in place to go to a favored matchup, Righty/Righty, and above that, to bring in a guy who, by all accounts, gives the team the best chance to get an out. Either way, there would have been a nasty comment, and the fact that he gave Pap's ball a ride shows that the closers are not infallible in the game. I want Mo to dominate when I go up against him, but I also want to be able to have Tek take him out if he falls in love with that cutter inside. Looking forward to the game, and perhaps seeing some online matchup between you and I for A.L. East bragging rights?
Grammar looked good by the way. Nice work.
SYF
Grammar looked good by the way. Nice work.
SYF
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I was, however, simply pointing out that everyone here is discussing what they see in the video. What's the point in trying to make it seem any other way? They're not happy with what they see. Asking "how can people be unhappy with a game they haven't played" is the beginning of a circular argument. So why do it?
Everyone's impressions here are from a video. Making it seem otherwise is making a comment to try and belittle their POV.
It would be nice if we could simply focus on the videos and have a discussion on it without turning everything into a "vs." battle. Who cares? You're still going to get the game or not get it regardless of what anyone says, right?
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There are "higher ups" who feel there must be "bullet points" and/or "features" that can sell a game every year and make it seem fresh. Unfortunately, it's these same things that ultimately take away from the refinement of the things you mentioned. There's nothing you can do.
Many are forgetting this is year 2 of a 3 year "project," similar to MVP 2004. I don't see people still playing MVP04... they're playing MVP05. There's a reason for that....
I'm really trying to figure out what The Show has to do with this video? Can anyone answer this?
Knock it of with the The Show comments as all it leads to trouble.
Knock it of with the The Show comments as all it leads to trouble.
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specialman @ 02/27/08 03:17 PM
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I'm still probably going to get MLB 2K8, well, I will definitely get it because I need a baseball game and only have a 360... but there really have to be a lot of significant improvements to 2K7 to make it a worthwhile purchase.
I'm not going to make my final decision until I have the game, but after some mixed previews and some disapointing videos, I am feeling some deja vu with last year... which really disapointed me.
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specialman @ 02/27/08 03:22 PM
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Trust me, I agree that perhaps they should have used the resources to improve the crowd. I'm 100% behind you on that. But, for whatever reason, probably higher ups (as Pared suggested and KushGamer has mentioned before) wanted a new feature that could sell copies. So, a team has to be sent to do just that.
All I'm saying is that having a few guys doing that didn't affect the rest of the team. They all had their jobs.
KushGamer's job was to work on the hitting system. The guys working on cards didn't affect his work.
What would be worse is having 20 guys working on gameplay. It's almost impossible when you really think about it. The team has to be small. Very small.
Why crowds weren't fixed? Why is there a crab-like animation when approaching a pop-up? I don't know and I don't like it either.
I've gotta throw my 2 cents in here on these videos and the strangely entertaining responses/arguments that have followed:
-Why are people so upset about the card feature? Every preview I've read from those that have actually got to play a near final build of the game have been glowing over it. Mostly I hear that it's a lot cooler than you would expect and not some cheesy gimmick thrown in just to list a new feature. I can agree that better crowd noise and more work on presentation issues would have been nice too, but give them a break. Until you try it don't knock it. It sounds like it will be a great way to boost the multi-player replayability of this game.
-As for bringing in the closer in the 8th, I'm gonna have to wait for the full game to judge on that one. I won't let one video of a game lead me to believe the AI is "stupid." If you're playing a season and the AI does this two days in a row and starts to burn the closer out than yeah, it's a problem. If they do it with a 6 run lead in the 8th, than yeah, it's a problem. Watching one isolated and very close game will not lead me to judge the AI as incompetent. I agree it would be nice if the CPU recognized the game was an exhibition game and played it a little more conservatively, but on the other hand if you're playing the computer even for just a single game don't you want the most competitive game you can get? Don't you want the computer to play you as if it was an important game? Again, I'll wait and see how the relief usage plays out over a season before I judge this one.
-I do agree with a previous poster who was concerned about the CPU not taking on 3-0 pitches. It's my main problem with baseball games every year. The inability of the computer to properly work counts with guys who do so in real life. There are some guys in real life who are tough outs. They will foul off pitch after pitch once they get to two strikes. They won't bite at those pitches just off the plate. Then there are those hitters like Vlad Guerrero who will swing if the balls in the other batters box. I'd love to see this recreated in a baseball video game. Likewise, I would like to have it be hard for me to get it past the right guys when I'm pitching. Some baseball games seem to think it's a sin to have a walk, whether at the plate or on the mound. Most hitters will take on 3-0, even the good ones. So to see them swing twice was a little bit of a red flag for me. It did seem fairly easy to throw strikes on this video too, but I'm not sure what the difficulty was set to so I won't judge too much on that.
-Why are people so upset about the card feature? Every preview I've read from those that have actually got to play a near final build of the game have been glowing over it. Mostly I hear that it's a lot cooler than you would expect and not some cheesy gimmick thrown in just to list a new feature. I can agree that better crowd noise and more work on presentation issues would have been nice too, but give them a break. Until you try it don't knock it. It sounds like it will be a great way to boost the multi-player replayability of this game.
-As for bringing in the closer in the 8th, I'm gonna have to wait for the full game to judge on that one. I won't let one video of a game lead me to believe the AI is "stupid." If you're playing a season and the AI does this two days in a row and starts to burn the closer out than yeah, it's a problem. If they do it with a 6 run lead in the 8th, than yeah, it's a problem. Watching one isolated and very close game will not lead me to judge the AI as incompetent. I agree it would be nice if the CPU recognized the game was an exhibition game and played it a little more conservatively, but on the other hand if you're playing the computer even for just a single game don't you want the most competitive game you can get? Don't you want the computer to play you as if it was an important game? Again, I'll wait and see how the relief usage plays out over a season before I judge this one.
-I do agree with a previous poster who was concerned about the CPU not taking on 3-0 pitches. It's my main problem with baseball games every year. The inability of the computer to properly work counts with guys who do so in real life. There are some guys in real life who are tough outs. They will foul off pitch after pitch once they get to two strikes. They won't bite at those pitches just off the plate. Then there are those hitters like Vlad Guerrero who will swing if the balls in the other batters box. I'd love to see this recreated in a baseball video game. Likewise, I would like to have it be hard for me to get it past the right guys when I'm pitching. Some baseball games seem to think it's a sin to have a walk, whether at the plate or on the mound. Most hitters will take on 3-0, even the good ones. So to see them swing twice was a little bit of a red flag for me. It did seem fairly easy to throw strikes on this video too, but I'm not sure what the difficulty was set to so I won't judge too much on that.
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I personally enjoyed the heck out of MVP 2004... especially on the PC. MVP05 just took it to another level. If they really worked on the in-game logic and focused on the gameplay (which is what they have been saying all along) I think many a baseball gamer should be happy.
What's nice is there is at least some alternative, unlike football. Even if you have to get a PS3 and you're a 360 only guy... there IS an alternative for something this year.
I still wouldn't worry too much. I'm less than enthused with the videos but I know I had fun for a short while with 2k7. The franchise bugs and some gameplay quirks were my biggest peeves... as I'm sure it was the same for some others. I really think they addressed that this year.
And if you hated the commentary in 2k7, it can only be at least slightly better in 2k8, right? Try and be positive here. At the least you turn it off much like last year, similar to what someone else posted.
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