Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by SPTO

Cena turning on the fans and everything he's built up in his career so far would be the right thing to do at this moment in time. Sometimes they wait way too long to do these things which kills the momentum of the actual turn.

Cena heel turn makes no sense at all right now and would have a) no logical rationale behind it - "I'm turning heel because I hate the fans! The same fans I've been kissing up to for 6 years now" and more importantly b) there is NO ONE to take Cena's spot as the top face. As much as I love RKO, he's not nearly enough to be the guy as the top face of the company, and that leaves - Edge? Kofi? A hot-shotted Bryan?

Maybe a Sheamus or Miz turn could help a heel Cena as far as opposition, but would that really work against a heel Cena? Maybe a bit off topic...just want to make the point that the 'Cena should turn HEEL!' crowd really should think logically before constantly making that statement. I'm as much for change as the next guy, but I also realize that Cena is a cash cow right now and face of the company, and it'd likely take a feud w/ a face of similar stature to him (and Orton doesn't fit that bill) for him to turn heel and do it successfully. Just my 2c.

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by OSUFan_88

If it was fatal four way ppv, I wouldn't care. It's Wrestlemania, and we are wasting time on Snookie vs Vickie. That time could be going towards a much, much better match.

The same company where Drew Carey and Pete Rose participated in the Royal Rumble. The same company where Cindi Lauper, Mike Tyson, Lawrence Taylor and Mr. T were parts of moderately big matches at WM. Please, stop taking things so seriously. You have to look at things logically, and realize that BUYRATES come first and foremost before anything else. WWE sees buyrates for all of their PPV's falling, and wants to save that buy any means necessary. If that means throwing Snooki into a low card match, I have no problem with it.

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by Millennium

Exactly. Ziggler, Morrison, LayCool, and Stratus can ALL work. Snooki being put in there is for celeb factor. And don't tell me there isn't the internet fan mentality. Everyone was dismissing the Snooki appearance in this thread well before she even showed up on TV. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

Yep. It's the snobbish internet mentality that drives me away from these forums. People have a problem blurring the lines, take things too personally, which leads to the "I'm not watching this crap!" statements (which are almost never followed through upon BTW.) Not calling anyone out specifically, just saying that it's an attitude that goes on far too frequently around here, as people seem to have an ideal about the company that's nowhere close to the reality that's been built up for the past 3-4 years in particular. Once K-Fed works a match w/ the WWE champ all bets are off, or at least I thought.

And sorry for the triple post, just hadn't been in this thread at all and saw quite a few posts to respond to, just chose these to reply to.

[goh]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

The same company where Drew Carey and Pete Rose participated in the Royal Rumble. The same company where Cindi Lauper, Mike Tyson, Lawrence Taylor and Mr. T were parts of moderately big matches at WM. Please, stop taking things so seriously. You have to look at things logically, and realize that BUYRATES come first and foremost before anything else. WWE sees buyrates for all of their PPV's falling, and wants to save that buy any means necessary. If that means throwing Snooki into a low card match, I have no problem with it.

Worked so well for TNA.

[TheMatrix31]

They see PPV rates falling because they're not always putting on shows worthy of actually purchasing and there is oversaturation, especially recently with all the gimmick PPVs. It used to be that a fatal four way or a HIAC match would be pretty special. Now? A whole PPV dedicated to them. Prestige has taken a hit bigtime, just like with the titles as Streets pointed out in his thread.

Plus, probably even bigger reason is that the economy sucks, and the prices are way too expensive even in a healthy one.

[Dirty Turtles]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

They see PPV rates falling because they're not always putting on shows worthy of actually purchasing and there is oversaturation, especially recently with all the gimmick PPVs. It used to be that a fatal four way or a HIAC match would be pretty special. Now? A whole PPV dedicated to them. Prestige has taken a hit bigtime, just like with the titles as Streets pointed out in his thread. Plus, probably even bigger reason is that the economy sucks, and the prices are way too expensive even in a healthy one.

I agree, but they seem to think that gimmick PPVs will increase buys. They'd increase buys by having compelling PPVs put together intermixing the compelling stories with gimmick matches to make some of them seem more special. I have yet to be excited for a gimmick PPV, just because they had a bunch of gimmick matches scheduled. I don't need the Money in the Bank PPV, give me the MitB at Mania and let me be all that more excited for it.

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

They see PPV rates falling because they're not always putting on shows worthy of actually purchasing and there is oversaturation, especially recently with all the gimmick PPVs. It used to be that a fatal four way or a HIAC match would be pretty special. Now? A whole PPV dedicated to them. Prestige has taken a hit bigtime, just like with the titles as Streets pointed out in his thread. Plus, probably even bigger reason is that the economy sucks, and the prices are way too expensive even in a healthy one.

I somewhat agree w/ your point about the oversaturation of PPVs. But this isn't just another show, this is the biggest show of the year, and it's clear that Vince wants to bring in as much attention as he can to try to up the buyrates for WM, which have been down in recent years. He's already got The Rock and Austin involved, even if they're not wrestling. HBK possibly involved in the Taker/HHH match.

Adding Snooki is just to create even more buzz. I don't see why people are so offended by it. Like I said in my other post, people have to look at this rationally and stop being so emotionally attached to this ideal about pro wrestling that just doesn't exist anymore. It's a business first and foremost. Thats why no matter how much internet fans b and moan about it, Cena isn't turning heel anytime soon. That's why Snooki's added to Wrestlemania in a relatively meaningless match.

[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by goh

Worked so well for TNA.

WWE gets the 'star' of Jersey Shore. TNA gets...the other people?

WWE puts Snooki around Trish Stratus, LayCool, Dolph Ziggler and John Morrison (all who obviously will drive the match). TNA surrounds J-Woww/Angelina with the Beautiful People, Sarita, and Cookie.

TNA has Angelina call out J-Woww on Impact. This makes no sense. Why would they not just fight on Jersey Shore? They come to TNA to settle their differences? WTF? ...it also would've made 100x more sense if Snooki came to confront Cookie; instead of J-Woww.

I'm not going to say Snooki was on my 'dream' WM card for this year, but I'm not bothered by it at all.