Staff Roundtable: Madden NFL 12 Demo Impressions

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Quote: Originally Posted by bichettehappens

That's exactly what I was thinking. I love NBA 2K11 but that game is animation central, including one of the worst animations across any sports game I've played -- the perimeter bump animation.

Exactly, and I absolutely loved NFL 2k5 and NBA 2k11.

[AndyP]

I will be disappointed if the same low angle/cinematic camera from NCAA 12 doesn't appear in Madden for replays, otherwise what point is there in having that 3D grass. Especially given that it's inevitable that we won't be able to capture images (like NCAA). Loads of improvements in Madden but those are two things that I really will miss if they aren't in the full retail version.

[TombSong]

Quote: Originally Posted by Playmakers

No disrespect man but it sounds like to me you want Madden to be NFL 2K5 What i don't understand is why some people feel just because they enjoyed NFL 2K5 everyone else should feel the same way. I'm not defending EA for their issues but sometimes i think some guys honestly believe NFL 2K5 was flawless. If that game was great for you fine but there are some us who actually found flaws in NFL 2K5 that turn us off with the gameplay. I mean seriously complaining about the graphics not being upgraded by much it's still better than any graphics I've ever seen in 2K football To act like DB's in 2K5 didn't have their flaws just as much as Madden is just basically doing what some of us do with Madden ignore the flaws..... I'm not going to write a journal compiling a list of things a game from 6 years ago did wrong it's not worth my time......but the bottom line is some of you guys obvioulsy have yet to move on and every year we have to hear about what a company out of business used to do I like Troy Aikman better than Tony Romo but guess what he ain't coming back to satisfy my fan experience when watching the Cowboys.... Seems to me the Madden crowd aren't the guys trying to convince anyone of anything.....it's the small 2K5 crowd that comes us over here every year trying to convince the Madden crowd that the game ain't great or it can't stack up to the holy grail which was 2K5..... It seems like to me that some of the people who were in love with 2K5 only purchase Madden or rent Madden to compile a laundry list of things the game does wrong when compaired to 2K5 each year. I'm sorry but if i didn't like a game there's no way in hell I'm going to spend $60 bucks just to see how it stacks up vs a game from 6 years ago If your not a fan of the Madden series i'm pretty sure there's nothing EA can do with the gameplay to make you love the series accept one thing and one thing only make the game play like NFL 2K5 I'm tired of typing NFL 2K5 is DEAD!

In short, no where do I say Madden needs to play just like 2k5/2k8.
ap2k8/2k5 were not flawless games, I can say that. I also did not say it was flawless. Madden or 2k being flawless aint even the point of the post which is always lost on guys to busy wanting to defend madden instead of stare at the truth about the game.
No where do I imply anyone has to like 2k5/2k8.
What in my post is factually not true ?
Speak to that, not your anger to why someone has spoke a pov that you don't agree with about madden.

For all of you about to bring up a issue about the post that was not even brought up in the post...please speak to what I am saying in the post...whats not true in it ?

[IntellectualAssassin]

Quote: Originally Posted by TombSong

In short, no where do I say Madden needs to play just like 2k5/2k8. ap2k8/2k5 were not flawless games, I can say that. I also did not say it was flawless. Madden or 2k being flawless aint even the point of the post which is always lost on guys to busy wanting to defend madden instead of stare at the truth about the game. No where do I imply anyone has to like 2k5/2k8. What in my post is factually not true ? Speak to that, not your anger to why someone has spoke a pov that you don't agree with about madden. For all of you about to bring up a issue about the post that was not even brought up in the post...please speak to what I am saying in the post...whats not true in it ?

"2K was a great simulation of football and Madden has yet to catch up"

"Well...well...well...2K wasn't flawless!!!!!"

No ****, Sherlock.

[TombSong]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I'm assuming you haven't seen improvement up to this stage. I agreed with most of your post, but to say there is no improvement towards the past competitor games is not really realistic. The camera areas itself make it like a TV broadcast presentation, which you admitted when you said EA has caught up. The tackling is improved immensely and more towards the other games. No more huggy feely protak type tackles. Does it have a ways to go? You bet it does, but this is the first time since Madden 10 I'm happy the direction in which the series is going. Like you said, there are two different types of groups. Neither group is wrong and both groups want an NFL type football game. In my opinion, the 2 groups aren't that far apart.

This is what I have seen as improvements to madden since 2006.

The have better presentation.
They have better run blocking.
They this year now have DE's that can get after the QB when the QB leaves the pocket.
Graphics have improved.
You say you like the tackling. Thats fine. Guess what though. In AP2k8 I can join in a gang tackle and influence it. You can't do that in Madden 2012. What you see now is a animation that plays out now when a cpu defender comes in and cleans up a tackle. (and a lot of the time the same animation plays out) If you run in on a tackle in progress you fall off or one of the players there before you falls off.

Thast not said to beat up Madden, thats said to point out, come on man, this needs to be beyond where we are now. Thats me. My POV. What, my POV dont matter because it goes against being a favorable POV towards Madden ? I can't NOT like maddens tackling ? I ain't telling you are wrong for liking it. If you can come in this forum and say you like it and why, I should be able to come in this forum and say I dont like it and why, without all the you have a agenda, you are a fan boy BS. Not saying you did that.

Thats it. 6 years and thats the sum of what we have.

[IntellectualAssassin]

Quote: Originally Posted by TombSong

Thats it. 6 years and thats the sum of what we have.

I'm really not trying to start a flame war, but I just honestly don't understand how people can justify the amount of improvement that's been made to this point. The game should be lightyears ahead of where it is now. I actually get a kick out of hearing people say "don't be a negative nancy, focus on the improvements that have been made!" It's pretty hard to focus on the improvements that have been made when the improvements that haven't been made are so much more obvious.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by TombSong

In short, no where do I say Madden needs to play just like 2k5/2k8. ap2k8/2k5 were not flawless games, I can say that. I also did not say it was flawless. Madden or 2k being flawless aint even the point of the post which is always lost on guys to busy wanting to defend madden instead of stare at the truth about the game. No where do I imply anyone has to like 2k5/2k8. What in my post is factually not true ? Speak to that, not your anger to why someone has spoke a pov that you don't agree with about madden. For all of you about to bring up a issue about the post that was not even brought up in the post...please speak to what I am saying in the post...whats not true in it ?

Where is his anger? You should be more hypersensitive.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by IntellectualAssassin

" It's pretty hard to focus on the improvements that have been made when the improvements that haven't been made are so much more obvious.

This is coming from someone who really hasn't like a version of Madden, since well at least Madden 05, but I disagree with this statement. Maybe because my outlook is different because of my age, but I simply don't focus on what hasn't been added or improved on with the game.

Although to be honest I just play the game, and if it's fun and I enjoy it, I keep playing, if it's not, I don't. I don't over-analyze ever aspect of the game.

Also, as much as I loved 2k5, and I actually had some input on that game, there is some definite revisionist history when it comes to it's greatness.