2013 Transactions Thread

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by dsallupinyaarea

Were you good with money when you were in your early 20s? If so, that makes you the exception. I spent every dime I had because that's what 21/22 year olds do.

Couldn't agree more. I was living pay check to pay check from 18-25. What little savings I had though I didn't touch.

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[dsallupinyaarea]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

At QB. It's very possible for them to draft someone as good (or better) at another position at 33.

I haven't looked at their schedule, but I'd imagine it's pretty soft considering they were the worst team in the league. If they get in the 7-9 win range, I'd say the trade was worth it. Reid does have a pretty good track record with QBs.

Maybe they overpaid a little, but when you're looking at Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko on the dept chart, you kind of have to.

On the other hand, SF has all these picks and a loaded roster. They should be trying to move up to draft elite prospects (especially with the new rookie scale), or as mentioned earlier trade for Darrelle Revis. No sense in drafting a ton of rookies that won't play.

[bigeastbumrush]

Quote: Originally Posted by dsallupinyaarea

I wouldn't call it fleeced. They can't go anywhere but up from 2 wins and they weren't drafting anyone 33rd overall that's as good as Smith.

Who were they bidding against?

KC had the leverage, not San Fran. The 49ers weren't going to keep Smith as a backup at that salary.

From what I read, Jacksonville and Arizona backed off because the price the 49ers were asking for was too steep.

We're not talking about a mid 2nd round pick. Nor are we talking about an elite QB.

[Chrisksaint]

David Hawthorne, Colston, Jahri Evans, and Ben Grubbs have all restructured their contracts. Probably only a couple of million over the cap, at this point if Vilma/Smith don't accept much lesser deals cut them so we can possibly sign one contributor as long as we don't overpay.

I don't see any point in keeping Vilma as I think Lofton/Hawthorne can handle ILB in a 3-4

[dsallupinyaarea]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigeastbumrush

Who were they bidding against? KC had the leverage, not San Fran. The 49ers weren't going to keep Smith as a backup at that salary. From what I read, Jacksonville and Arizona backed off because the price the 49ers were asking for was too steep. We're not talking about a mid 2nd round pick. Nor are we talking about an elite QB.

What does that draft pick even mean though? As a point of reference, the 33rd pick last year was Brian Quick. I'd certainly rather have Alex Smith than him.

You never know with these draft picks and I'm sure the Chiefs would rather go with a known commodity at the most important position than take that risk. Is Alex Smith elite, no, but that's not the point since no elite QB is available. They got the best QB available for what, in theory, will be the 33rd best rookie.

All I'm saying is that they weren't fleeced. It seems like a solid deal for all parties.

EDIT: I just did a quick scan of the entire 2012 NFL Draft and, other than Russell Wilson, there's not a single player selected after 32 that I'd take over Alex Smith. Obviously the pool of players this year is entirely different, but for a point of reference it's interesting. We also might be underestimating how much, even league average, QB play will help the Chiefs. Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko.....

[ex carrabba fan]

#32 overall pick I would say is a high price. I wouldn't just look at last year, there have been countless franchise type or star type players drafted way after the first round.

Either way, SF made out like bandits.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by ex carrabba fan

#32 overall pick I would say is a high price. I wouldn't just look at last year, there have been countless franchise type or star type players drafted way after the first round. Either way, SF made out like bandits.

You can't look at it like that though. Will there be players drafted later that are better? Of course there will be. But the benefit of drafting higher means you have more control over getting the guy YOU think will succeed. Knowing what Alex Smith is vs an unknown on the board after 32 other guys have gone is how it needs to be looked at.

The same thing with "who were they bidding against". Lets say you jump onboard with Arizona, Jacksonville, whoever and hold off until SF lowers the price. Then they're all back in the mix and there's a chance KC doesn't get Smith at all. We're not working a Madden trade machine. If you definitely want a guy you make an offer that TAKES the other competition out of the equation. That's what they did.

I disagree with the idea that there isn't a better player they could draft at 33. But there definitely isn't a better QB and that's what they need. It also frees them from thinking about risking the #1 overall on one of these QBs with question marks and focus on drafting a guy that's more likely to be a starter and probably pro bowler for years to come.

[55]

Drew Brees was once the first pick in the second round of the NFL Draft.

Just sayin'.