NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Marino]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I could say this about any person who ever posted a comment on any blog/site anywhere ever. I have been more open and influenced by the actual position of each sides more then probably anybody here. I think I may be the only person who changed his position, but I'm the one with clear cut motives. Lol that's hilarious.

You have been entrenched in your position from the beginning, I have yet to see where you have shown being open for any of these debates. You keep beating this dead horse, but of course, you know, that horse can die anymore, it's already dead.

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Marino

I have yet to see where you have shown being open for any of these debates..

In fairness. Ive yet to see where anyone has.

And there is definitely more than one horse being beat around here.

[ScoobySnax]

We're supposed to be brothers.


On another note:
Woj leaked the names of some of the players on the call.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ification_Call

@24 I've admittedly beaten a few as of late myself. LOL.

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

In fairness. Ive yet to see where anyone has. And there is definitely more than one horse being beat around here.

What does this have to do with fairness

Do you remember the shorten the season topic

That basically destroyed the 1st CBA sticky we had... thats why we're talking about it in this new one... now he continues to do the same thing, regardless of facts or not

Thats why I said its borderline ridiculous, and I didnt even know about the NFL thread

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I know we all want pro hoops back and most of us ASAP, but I can't ignore what I think is right or wrong just because it will lead to the easiest result I want. I was pro-owners with their original system demands. I hope they get a flex cap when all this is donethe and said even though it's not on the table now. But I can't give a pass to the owners if they came into these labor talks looking for a pound of flesh instead of getting a deal done.

You cant be one of the people who "wants pro hoops back" if you want a flex or hard cap. You know as much as anyone else that the union would refuse to agree to that system and it would leave us with no 2011-2012 season.

Ever since I've been a part of this thread I've seen you argue that the players are the ones making all the concessions and that the owners should give something. You also argued that the owners falling back from a their hard cap demand wasnt a concession because they never had that system before. But now you are stating that you are in favor of a hard or flex cap.

My question is how can you have it both ways? The BRI % was going to have to drop in order to guarantee profitability. A hard cap would force changes to guaranteed contracts, would keep the pay ceiling in place, would force a lowering of the MLE and would force the need for an amnesty clause.

The system you are arguing for makes it impossible for the owners to make any concessions.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

In fairness. Ive yet to see where anyone has. And there is definitely more than one horse being beat around here.

I dont think thats true. I for one was very pro flex/hard cap early on but I've come around to the current luxury cap proposal. I was also angry at the owners for their take it or leave it BRI demand a few weeks ago. I'm just less angry because the players strategy placed them in this position.

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

What does this have to do with fairness Do you remember the shorten the season topic That basically destroyed the 1st CBA sticky we had... thats why we're talking about it in this new one... now he continues to do the same thing, regardless of facts or not Thats why I said its borderline ridiculous, and I didnt even know about the NFL thread

Huh? Im just assuming you only skimmed through my post...take a look at the second line...or the end of that sentence after "fairness" at least lol

I don't even know how to respond to this man

[King_B_Mack]

You guys really should lay off Throne. I saw the whole shorten the season fiasco too and that was frustrating as hell, but holding him to that here isn't really needed. I don't think he's trolling and there's a lot of merit to what he's been saying in here cause I've seen it too. The players have been killed in here and had pretty much this entire thing shoved in their laps from the jump. Whenever he's asked why guys are laying it all on the players and just ripping them to shreds on EVERY single thing they've said or done through this for pages at a time on one comment there's been some logical responses and a lot of responses of why he's so butt hurt about the players getting ripped or claims that people have laid into both sides equally when that really wasn't the case and even comments like bkrich's (nothing personal) about no one being anti-player when CLEARLY we have anti-player sentiment in here.

At the end of the day, none of that crap matters cause every single person in here with the exception maybe of Matrix just wants basketball and that should be the end of it. We shouldn't be in here attacking each other over nothing but instead breaking down a regular season that should have tipped off on Tuesday but because of two sides of clowns we're doing this.