OSFM 2013: Chicago White Sox

[JoeCoolMan24]

So I was talking with a Cubs fan friend of mine who also uses the OSFM rosters every year. We were discussing our minor league players, and we BOTH came to the conclusion that either the Cubs minor leaguers have been WAYY overrated, or the Sox minor leaguers WAY underrated.

Some of the points we brought up....

Albert Almora is an 18-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached Low-A short season for the Cubs. He is rated a 74 in the game.

Courtney Hawkins is a 19-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached High-A ball for the Sox. He rated a 52 in the game.

The Sox 2nd best prospect, Trayce Thompson is rated a 58. The Cubs 24-year-old prospect who has had injury problems already, and has only made AA ball, is a 71. Soler, is a 75 already straight out of Cuba.

Junior Lake has a B potential, Keenyn Walker has a C potential. Cubs have 6 prospects with an A potential, Sox have 1.

Now I admit the Sox system is in the lower 5 in baseball. But the Cubs system is very middle of the pack. They are around 13-20. How do they not only have SO many more high potential prospects (Tons of B prospects as well), but all their players seem to be a higher overall rating by now as well. I mean, the Sox are sitting there with top prospects in the 50's, and most of the Cubs top prospects are rated 65-75.

And before I hear anything, I am not a Cubs ***** at all. I generally don't even pay attention to them because they aren't relevant to my team. It was just that a Cubs friend of mine brought up to me how insanely well rated his team's prospects were, so we both compared players and agreed that something is way off.

EDIT: Apparently Ha.ter is a banned word?

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeCoolMan24

So I was talking with a Cubs fan friend of mine who also uses the OSFM rosters every year. We were discussing our minor league players, and we BOTH came to the conclusion that either the Cubs minor leaguers have been WAYY overrated, or the Sox minor leaguers WAY underrated. Some of the points we brought up.... Albert Almora is an 18-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached Low-A short season for the Cubs. He is rated a 74 in the game. Courtney Hawkins is a 19-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached High-A ball for the Sox. He rated a 52 in the game. The Sox 2nd best prospect, Trayce Thompson is rated a 58. The Cubs 24-year-old prospect who has had injury problems already, and has only made AA ball, is a 71. Soler, is a 75 already straight out of Cuba. Junior Lake has a B potential, Keenyn Walker has a C potential. Cubs have 6 prospects with an A potential, Sox have 1. Now I admit the Sox system is in the lower 5 in baseball. But the Cubs system is very middle of the pack. They are around 13-20. How do they not only have SO many more high potential prospects (Tons of B prospects as well), but all their players seem to be a higher overall rating by now as well. I mean, the Sox are sitting there with top prospects in the 50's, and most of the Cubs top prospects are rated 65-75. And before I hear anything, I am not a Cubs ***** at all. I generally don't even pay attention to them because they aren't relevant to my team. It was just that a Cubs friend of mine brought up to me how insanely well rated his team's prospects were, so we both compared players and agreed that something is way off. EDIT: Apparently Ha.ter is a banned word?

First, let me say this, I also have nothing against the Cubs. I know Sox fans get ragged on for that, but I do not go out of my way to bash the Cubbies. I do think that the Cubs prospects are rated a little too high after reading what you said. What it seems like is they might need to be scaled back a little more, meaning their progression may be 1 or 2 years too far ahead. IMO, players that have overalls of 60-70 are near MLB ready guys or bench players. So when I read a scouting report that says 2-3 years away, I have to let the progression system take its course. That's why some of the Sox players are low. If they are considered "raw" they shouldn't be called up until easily 2 seasons have passed. I don't want to see someone like Courtney Hawkins appear on a MLB club in 2014 in franchise, because he won't in real life. I'm not real familiar though with some of the Cubs prospects though, other than maybe Soler, and how far away from the MLB they are or not.

When I create players, I am very tough when it comes to handing out ratings. One out of 10 players in the minors makes the major leagues in real life, and I feel that should be properly represented in the set as well. I look at MiLB splits, age, and level, and then adjust accordingly with OSFM's rating system. Some guys I feel do get rated too high, and I most likely can be found guilty of rating certain guys too low and nerfing certain aspects of their game. That's the good and bad of have 30+ guys rate these prospects. It's great to see everyone's take on things.

When it comes to somebody like Hawkins, here was the process I went through when rating him. First, he's only 19. He won't be in the majors any time soon, as he's still very raw in certain aspects. Granted, I believe he will turn into a very good OF for the Sox, hit about 25 HR's (but only a .260-.270 hitter) and probably be on an All-Star team at some point in his career, but not within the next 2 years. Second, if I rate Hawkins to what I think will be his peak (which for just about every MLB guy is 29-30) then that is still 10 years away. That's 10 years of progression that needs to take place (personally, I think he will reach it sooner) and being an A prospect he's going to reach it faster. Rate him too high, and he could end up turning into a monster at the plate. So I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Of course this is all personal opinion, so there isn't a right or wrong answer. Just my take on things.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Jason Berken, Luis Durango, and Tyler Greene were all signed and assigned to Charlotte today. Stefan Gartrell was released. And it seems there are quite a few guys in limbo/MIA that I included in the set. Seems I got some work ahead of me.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Quote: Originally Posted by CWSpalehoseCWS

First, let me say this, I also have nothing against the Cubs. I know Sox fans get ragged on for that, but I do not go out of my way to bash the Cubbies. I do think that the Cubs prospects are rated a little too high after reading what you said. What it seems like is they might need to be scaled back a little more, meaning their progression may be 1 or 2 years too far ahead. IMO, players that have overalls of 60-70 are near MLB ready guys or bench players. So when I read a scouting report that says 2-3 years away, I have to let the progression system take its course. That's why some of the Sox players are low. If they are considered "raw" they shouldn't be called up until easily 2 seasons have passed. I don't want to see someone like Courtney Hawkins appear on a MLB club in 2014 in franchise, because he won't in real life. I'm not real familiar though with some of the Cubs prospects though, other than maybe Soler, and how far away from the MLB they are or not. When I create players, I am very tough when it comes to handing out ratings. One out of 10 players in the minors makes the major leagues in real life, and I feel that should be properly represented in the set as well. I look at MiLB splits, age, and level, and then adjust accordingly with OSFM's rating system. Some guys I feel do get rated too high, and I most likely can be found guilty of rating certain guys too low and nerfing certain aspects of their game. That's the good and bad of have 30+ guys rate these prospects. It's great to see everyone's take on things. When it comes to somebody like Hawkins, here was the process I went through when rating him. First, he's only 19. He won't be in the majors any time soon, as he's still very raw in certain aspects. Granted, I believe he will turn into a very good OF for the Sox, hit about 25 HR's (but only a .260-.270 hitter) and probably be on an All-Star team at some point in his career, but not within the next 2 years. Second, if I rate Hawkins to what I think will be his peak (which for just about every MLB guy is 29-30) then that is still 10 years away. That's 10 years of progression that needs to take place (personally, I think he will reach it sooner) and being an A prospect he's going to reach it faster. Rate him too high, and he could end up turning into a monster at the plate. So I'd rather be safe than sorry. Of course this is all personal opinion, so there isn't a right or wrong answer. Just my take on things.

I think your rating of Hawkins is fine, actually. A 52 is very low, but he is also very young and relatively raw. But like you said, the guys that are 2+ years away should NOT be anywhere in the 70's like those Cubs players are. I actually do know quite a bit about Cubs prospects, at least the more highly touted ones.

If I were to rate them based off the ratings you've assigned to Sox players, I would make Soler about a 50, not a 75. He is considered very raw, and he signed a 9-year deal because it's likely going to take him 3-4 years in the minors to even start contributing.

Then I would change Almora from a 74 to a 54. He is about the same skill level as Hawkins right now. Slightly younger, hasn't played at as high of a level as Hawkins, but possess a slightly better skill set.

Brett Jackson isn't too far off, maybe a 65 instead of a 71, but his potential as an A is a joke. His stock has fallen in his 6 years in the minors, he isn't a stud anymore. Junior Lake should be about a 55 instead of a 71. The guy screams AAAA player at best.

Basically, I just wanted to point out that either other creators need to tone it down, or you need to bump some players up a bit. I think it may actually be a bit of both, but with most of that onus falling on the other guys toning it down.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeCoolMan24

I think your rating of Hawkins is fine, actually. A 52 is very low, but he is also very young and relatively raw. But like you said, the guys that are 2+ years away should NOT be anywhere in the 70's like those Cubs players are. I actually do know quite a bit about Cubs prospects, at least the more highly touted ones. If I were to rate them based off the ratings you've assigned to Sox players, I would make Soler about a 50, not a 75. He is considered very raw, and he signed a 9-year deal because it's likely going to take him 3-4 years in the minors to even start contributing. Then I would change Almora from a 74 to a 54. He is about the same skill level as Hawkins right now. Slightly younger, hasn't played at as high of a level as Hawkins, but possess a slightly better skill set. Brett Jackson isn't too far off, maybe a 65 instead of a 71, but his potential as an A is a joke. His stock has fallen in his 6 years in the minors, he isn't a stud anymore. Junior Lake should be about a 55 instead of a 71. The guy screams AAAA player at best. Basically, I just wanted to point out that either other creators need to tone it down, or you need to bump some players up a bit. I think it may actually be a bit of both, but with most of that onus falling on the other guys toning it down.

I honestly think it comes down to people not wanting to wait before they get to play with these guys, so they don't go back as many years as they should.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Added 2B Daniel Wagner to the player vault. Backup IF for the Barons.

PSN: SouthSideSox05

[captainphildo]

Back in post #89 I said I made the 1983 White Sox roster, and that I wasn't doing anymore past teams this game, but a few days later I decided to try and recreate the two great "deadball" White Sox teams.

So I have made the 1906 and the 1917 White Sox world series teams and they are uploaded in the roster vault as a historic roster.

1906 team was uploaded on March 26 under name "1906 Chicago White Sox"
and the
1917 was uploaded on April 5 under the name "1917 Chicago White Sox"

The 1906 player ratings need more work for offense, defense, and pitching. Example, I curved the hitters power ratings to much (the strongest power rating before the curve was 19, couldn't get the ball past the infielders). Also the pitchers need more variance of the break on their pitches. Overall the players are there but their ratings are off all around the board.

However, the 1917 roster plays great. Excellent pitching and defense with good hitting. I learned from my bad calculations and adjustments that I made with the 1906 roster. And as a result the pitchers dominate as they should, giving up hits but not many runs as they did in real life. And the hitters have just enough power to get the ball past the infielders as well as the outfielders heads, but not to much power to hit home runs over the wall. Side note, the first home run at old Comiskey Park(363 down the lines, 382 gaps, and 440 to center) wasn't hit until 1927 by Babe Ruth I ended up reading the newspaper story from that game to find that out. So that is ten yeas after the 1917 guys played there for 70 some home games a year.

Well, any comments good or bad are welcome on the three historic rosters that I have made from the 1906, to the 1917, and 1983, under the name captainhildo from the roster vault. As they well help me make them better in the future. I will attempt to have the 1959, 1993/94, and 2005 roster for next years game as well as these three I made this year (PS4 version most likely). Once I get the ratings figured out it takes about two days to get the full roster in to the game and one or two days of playing games with them to see how they feel, find any mistakes, and make player faces.

[Denzel Washington]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeCoolMan24

So I was talking with a Cubs fan friend of mine who also uses the OSFM rosters every year. We were discussing our minor league players, and we BOTH came to the conclusion that either the Cubs minor leaguers have been WAYY overrated, or the Sox minor leaguers WAY underrated. Some of the points we brought up.... Albert Almora is an 18-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached Low-A short season for the Cubs. He is rated a 74 in the game. Courtney Hawkins is a 19-year-old OF drafted in 1st RD of 2012 who reached High-A ball for the Sox. He rated a 52 in the game. The Sox 2nd best prospect, Trayce Thompson is rated a 58. The Cubs 24-year-old prospect who has had injury problems already, and has only made AA ball, is a 71. Soler, is a 75 already straight out of Cuba. Junior Lake has a B potential, Keenyn Walker has a C potential. Cubs have 6 prospects with an A potential, Sox have 1. Now I admit the Sox system is in the lower 5 in baseball. But the Cubs system is very middle of the pack. They are around 13-20. How do they not only have SO many more high potential prospects (Tons of B prospects as well), but all their players seem to be a higher overall rating by now as well. I mean, the Sox are sitting there with top prospects in the 50's, and most of the Cubs top prospects are rated 65-75. And before I hear anything, I am not a Cubs ***** at all. I generally don't even pay attention to them because they aren't relevant to my team. It was just that a Cubs friend of mine brought up to me how insanely well rated his team's prospects were, so we both compared players and agreed that something is way off. EDIT: Apparently Ha.ter is a banned word?

Cubs farm system is a top 10 farm for sure and its been rated as high as 5th
Soler is rated so high to adjust to the progression system
Im in my second year in franchise and he's only a 79
Baez is a top 20 prospect, he's severely underrated in the game and baez is a top 10 OF prospect I think he deserves to be rated higher than hawkins
Baez, Almora, and Soler are all rated in the top 50
No white sox player is to my knowledge even close