SHAKE BLITZ INSIDE 10 yd Line

[PowerofRed25]

Quote: Originally Posted by madguitarskillz1

Agreed that some teams like LSU throw it in as a wrinkle on passing downs(not base) against spread teams to confuse. I guarantee they won't use that defense against bama saturday night. In goal line situations it would be a horrible defense to stop hb and fb dives from heavy formations which is what happened. Linebackers would get pancaked for lack of leverage so you cant call it sim if you are using it to stop the run or if you do it with a 2 or 3 man rush on passing downs. If you only rush 3 such as in cover 2, someone doesn't come though clean in real life. I'll just audible out to a 5wr pass if I see this next time. I think the answer is don't run it if its not a maryland I toss lol.

Haha yeah pretty much. It is over powered, especially the Prowl blitz where the LB's cross, added with shake motion. That shouldn't be able to stop runs as well as it does. If you do want to run against it, I actually find more success running quick inside using the FB with Dual HB Swap packages.

I beat a guy online who only wanted to run Maryland I Load Option all game using this defense. All he had to do was throw a pass or two to the flat or quick hit to the FB, but he kept trying option and failing. No I shouldn't be able to do stop a play like that using 1-5-5, but it shuts down people that try that shady crap very nicely.

In "legit" games, I'll use it 3 or 4 times a game, usually blitzing the first time and then running a zone blitz or straight C2 the next few times.

[novadolla]

Quote: Originally Posted by PowerofRed25

I am generally the most strict person when it comes to "cheese" but I don't see this as cheese at all and I am without a doubt the most legit player you'll find. The whole point of the 1-5-5 Prowl is to confuse the blocking assignments, that is why teams run stand up defenses, especially on 3rd and long. Look at what Nebraska D to Michigan State this weekend. Our defense put a wet towel over Michigan State's offense and poured water down it's throat using exactly that philosophy. Get them into 3rd and Medium and Long and run a stand up defense moving back and forth to confuse the line. It worked pretty well and that is exactly how I use it. Using it every play is shady and I'd call that "cheese". But on 3rd and Long, it confuses people just like it did the OP and it forces them to adjust. It is a very easy defense to pick up because only a few of the plays in it works and most people only run 2 or 3 of them. It is easily beatable if you just focus on your read and don't panic. Always have an outlet receiver because most times, if you get it down to him, it will be a big play. The other counter is changing your snap count and using hard snaps. A hard snap will usually cause a user defender to stop moving the D for a second and then you can snap it just fine.

Get out of here dude, its cheese 155 shake blitz is taking advantage of a flaw in the AI period. 155 is a 3rd down and long type of defense. Very unrealistic that someone can run the 155 against a power running game. Add in the "Auto Turbo blitz" by moving your LBs side to side and you have a big case of cheddar.

Not interesting in learning how to counter a GLITCH. You are a hypocrite because in another thread you told some guy that he shouldn't have to try to sit there and figure out how to stop someone who runs 5 wide almost every play but come in here justifying running something even worst SMH.

[patsfan1993]

Quote: Originally Posted by PowerofRed25

I am generally the most strict person when it comes to "cheese" but I don't see this as cheese at all and I am without a doubt the most legit player you'll find.

Usually the people who say things like this in their posts to defend an obvious cheese are usually the opposite of what they claim. Like was said if used in the proper situation for the defense it's fine. Used as described it's cheese.

[PowerofRed25]

Quote: Originally Posted by patsfan1993

Usually the people who say things like this in their posts to defend an obvious cheese are usually the opposite of what they claim. Like was said if used in the proper situation for the defense it's fine. Used as described it's cheese.

I am in multiple dynasties with many long time members of this forum and others, not one would have anything negative to say about my game play. I would gladly play you or anyone else who wants to argue that fact. I noticed you're on PS3, I'd happily play you later tonight after the USC game if you're available. Whatever teams. I usually play air raid with Okie State online or just run my base offense with Nebraska.

Maybe you should stop with the generalizations, realize I made a pretty valid point in the thread and move on. I have no need to "cheese", never have, never will.

Let me know if you're up for that game.

[PowerofRed25]

Quote: Originally Posted by novadolla

Get out of here dude, its cheese 155 shake blitz is taking advantage of a flaw in the AI period. 155 is a 3rd down and long type of defense. Very unrealistic that someone can run the 155 against a power running game. Add in the "Auto Turbo blitz" by moving your LBs side to side and you have a big case of cheddar. Not interesting in learning how to counter a GLITCH. You are a hypocrite because in another thread you told some guy that he shouldn't have to try to sit there and figure out how to stop someone who runs 5 wide almost every play but come in here justifying running something even worst SMH.

Umm, you might want to reread my post. I argued exactly what you just argued. That it is a 3rd and long type defense and that it is unrealistic and cheesy to use it any other situation or to defend power run. The post of mine you quoted says exactly what you just said... EXACTLY.

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"Using it every play is shady and I'd call that "cheese". But on 3rd and Long, it confuses people just like it did the OP and it forces them to adjust. It is a very easy defense to pick up because only a few of the plays in it works and most people only run 2 or 3 of them."

Man, some people fly off the deep end for no reason. I use 1-5-5 Prowl at most 3 times a game, and that is with the ONE team I run 3-3-5 with. The other teams I run with I have the DL depth to go 4-2-5 which does not contain 1-5-5 Prowl.

Reread some of my posts in this thread again. But if you want to argue that running one defensive formation (and different plays out of it) a few times a game is the same as running one offensive play the whole game, I'm afraid you're not competent enough to argue with. That said, if someone elects to run one cheap offensive play against me in an online lobby game, you're damn right I will use 1-5-5 Prowl to my advantage. We'll see how they change their tune after getting held to 45 yards after 3 quarters trying to run Maryland I every play and going nowhere.

EDIT: By the way, that offer to patsfan applies to you too, I'm happy to play you if you're on PS3. Let me know when is good for you, I'm always looking for a good game from someone on OS.

[novadolla]

Either way i think the 155 is lame on THIS game. I dont even have it in my playbook dont need it, damn near everyone plays the same Maryland I hurry up, Power O hurry up 4/5wide.

I am down to play whenever i'm always online just shoot me a request and i do not run maryland i, power i or lame 155.

[PowerofRed25]

Quote: Originally Posted by novadolla

Either way i think the 155 is lame on THIS game. I dont even have it in my playbook dont need it, damn near everyone plays the same Maryland I hurry up, Power O hurry up 4/5wide. I am down to play whenever i'm always online just shoot me a request and i do not run maryland i, power i or lame 155.

I agree with you again. Online is such a crapshoot because you're either going to find someone who HAS to have speed at QB so they can run around or go Load Option every play. Or they pick a team like Alabama because they just need to have the best team with the beast RB so they can run Power every play and default sliders favor the offense so much.

As for 155, hopefully I can recruit some more DT's at Hawai'i and Oklahoma State in two of my dynasties so I can run 425 base D like I prefer and I don't have to even have 1-5-5 in the book.

[aerovt]

A bit off topic, but isn't it a sNake blitz?

As for my opinion on the cheesiness - I gave up on playing online years ago. People are all about exploiting this games short comings online, so I stick to offline dynasty or playing against my friends in the same room.