Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

[BigDofBA]

Quote: Originally Posted by goUTES

It can't be explained much better than this. Coming from a Utah alum, this is the most bittersweet day many of us have ever experienced. There is no gray area - we should be playing for the National Championship. You can say what you want about SOS and all that other BS, but we won all of our games (nobody else did), not to mention how we stacked up against the best teams we played on our schedule. Stop comparing us to past Boise and Hawaii teams - this isn't even close to the same thing. We just showed everybody why we deserve a shot at the MNC...there is no excuse to ignore it now. I guess there's nothing left to do. We'll finish #3-4, and people will think of us as a cute little story and now, most of the country's college football can go ahead and get back to being delusional.

Utah deserves a shot to play for it all but I'm not just going to crown them champs because they went undefeated.

Why can't I compare Utah to 2006 Boise? That team went undefeated and beat Fresno St, Utah, OU, and Oregon State.

If this Utah team deserves a championship then so does the 2006 Boise St. team.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

So I guess if Hawaii had played a scrub in their bowl game last year and went undefeated they would be champs.

So by this logic Alabama is now a scrub team.

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

Undefeated Marshall and Boise State are also champs. Had Ball St. went undefeated then they would have been champs.

In 2006, Boise State was more deserving than Florida. Hell their best win was more impressive than Florida's best win that year. With Marshall it was different, there were two BCS conference teams who finished undefeated. It was a different scenario and is apples to oranges.

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

Utah isn't as good as USC, Florida, OU, or Texas. I don't care what their record is. Had Utah played at TCU or at Oregon State they would have lost those games.

So last time Oklahoma played a non-BCS team in a BCS game, what happened? Or is this one of those things they get a pass on.

[goUTES]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

Utah deserves a shot to play for it all but I'm not just going to crown them champs because they went undefeated. Why can't I compare Utah to 2006 Boise? That team went undefeated and beat Fresno St, Utah, OU, and Oregon State. If this Utah team deserves a championship then so does the 2006 Boise St. team.

Fresno St. and Utah weren't as good that year as BYU and Air Force were this year (not to mention Utah went 8-5 in 2006...not really a good team. If you're going to give Boise St. a "good win" for that win, you should give Utah a "good win" for beating Colorado St. this year)

[BigDofBA]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

So last time Oklahoma played a non-BCS team in a BCS game, what happened? Or is this one of those things they get a pass on.

What dos 2006 OU have to do with this? That was one of Bob Stoops worst teams and we were barely favored against Boise. Yeah OU does seem to suck in BCS games. It seems like the only team they beat was Florida State.

-Utah beat New Mexico by 3 points
-Utah beat Oregon State by 3 points
-Utah beat Michigan by 2 points.
-Utah beat TCU by 3 points.

-Florida destroyed LSU, Georgia, and won the SEC.
-USC destroyed Ohio State, Penn State, and won the Pac 10.
-OU destroyed Cincy, TCU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma state. OU also beat the crap out of KU and Nebraska. Both of those teams won their bowl games.

Utah was extremely fortunate that the played Oregon State and TCU at home. They are also lucky TCU's kicker miss two chip shot FG's and Oregon State had a meltdown at the end of the game.

[BigDofBA]

Quote: Originally Posted by goUTES

Fresno St. and Utah weren't as good that year as BYU and Air Force were this year (not to mention Utah went 8-5 in 2006...not really a good team. If you're going to give Boise St. a "good win" for that win, you should give Utah a "good win" for beating Colorado St. this year)

But they won all of their games.

If we are going by quality wins then USC, Florida, OU, and Texas all have better wins than Utah this season.

Which is it?

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

As for the SOS, if you want to use Sagarin's rankings, you are also admitting that the ACC is the best conference in the country, as his conference rankings ranked them #1. That cannot cut both ways, you can't pick and chooose which part of the equations matter and which don't.

Actually, I can. Sagarin's conference rankings are different than his team rankings. His conference rankings re skewed towards having the best teams in the middle. The ACC probably is the best conference 7-12, but I only really care about 1-4 or 5. It's more of a difference in application of rankings than actual rankings.

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Stop comparing us to past Boise and Hawaii teams - this isn't even close to the same thing.

This Utah team and the 2006 Boise team were pretty much the same thing.

[Chip Douglass]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

Utah just beat an Alabama team that was one dimensional on offense and had an above average defense. Why don't you think USC, OU, or Texas would have done the same thing?

And why do you assume all of those teams are better than Utah? How did the assumption game work before the Sugar Bowl?

It just seems hilarious to me that you're quicker to call Alabama "overrated" than you are to give Utah credit. Alabama was a QUARTER AWAY from playing in the MNC game, yet they're suddenly overrated? Would you call Alabama "overrated" if USC/OU did the same thing instead of a MWC team? I doubt it.

[BigDofBA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Olson-for-Heisman

And why do you assume all of those teams are better than Utah? How did the assumption game work before the Sugar Bowl? It just seems hilarious to me that you're quicker to call Alabama "overrated" than you are to give Utah credit. Alabama was a QUARTER AWAY from playing in the MNC game, yet they're suddenly overrated? Would you call Alabama "overrated" if USC/OU did the same thing instead of a MWC team? I doubt it.

Penn State was seconds away from playing for a championship. That doesn't mean anything.

If Utah played USC who would you bet on? If Utah played Florida who would you bet on?

Bama was overrated. Utah is ranked right about where they should be.

There is a reason I wanted OU to play Bama and not Florida. Likewise, I would have much rather played Penn State than Florida or USC.