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MyCAREER Has a Realism Problem

Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

I was really excited to load up the Prelude this year. It took the most exciting things about last year’s attempt and removed a lot of the perceived contrived portions about Freq, his “twin” sister and his troubled entourage. You start at the end of your high school basketball career showing your mentor and high school coach, Washington Falls, your highlight reel. You are a high school All-American, the number one recruit in the country. You pick your college, but everyone knows you’re too good to stay there more than your mandatory freshman year. Then you get to upgrade Pres’ attributes for the first time to discover you’re rated...55!? Which country was I the top recruit in, Angola?

All of the commentary casts Pres as the second coming. A leader destined for greatness the same way as Carmelo Anthony, who also brought his college program to the championship his freshman year. However, you, as the “President of Basketball,” have difficulty finishing a layup or sinking a free throw. Opposing players run circles around you. By the time you're drafted five games later, you're lucky if you've earned enough Virtual Currency (VC) to have raised him a couple attribute points. You wind up drafted as a one-and-done transcendent player who is (conservatively) 20 points below his contemporaries (you also might end up going very low in the draft, which is also awkward for your status).

There is a way, of course, to make Pres better right away. It involves spending extra money on VC to “juice” your way to mediocrity. To date I’ve spent 40 dollars on VC. I bought the Legends edition of the game that included 30,000 in VC (approximately $10 USD value) which cost $79.99. Then I bought 75,000 VC in-game for 20 bucks. With 105,000 VC, Pres catapulted from 55 to 82.

I assume the point of making MyCareer is to immerse the player in the world of an up and coming professional basketball player. After all, the cutscenes are full of recognizable faces interacting with your virtual avatar and performing all sorts of activities with you. The problem begins when you attempt to approximate NBA basketball at the burgeoning superstar level, only to fall way short.

I spent almost 100 dollars to get my player to a level where it makes sense that he’s receiving endorsement deals every other day. Many people can’t afford to spend that much on one game. And either way, no player should ever have to spend that kind of money on something like this. As I see it, the only reason to make your player start so low is to push you to spend real dollars to buy VC. Wouldn’t it make sense from a immersion -- and moral -- standpoint to start your player with a rating in at least the 70s? If he’s the number one basketball recruit in the number one basketball country in the world, wouldn’t it make sense that he’s at least as good as the other guys getting drafted in his NBA draft class?

I mean I had barely made it to December of my rookie year, and I had already received endorsement deals from Gatorade, Foot Locker, 2K, Mountain Dew and Tissot. Plus, I had a shoe deal. I had only started one game and was averaging just over 10 points a game. These aren’t numbers that garner major endorsement deals. Beyond that, if I only bought the game and used no extra VC except for what I earned through gameplay, I’m under the impression I would have still been offered most of those deals, if not all of them. Bye immersion.

It’s really a shame that the desire to capitalize monetarily on a flawed system was more important than fixing said system to increase its realism. If I wasn’t spending all that VC on attributes, I probably would have still spent it on something else with the game, like accessories for Pres or stuff for MyCourt. The difference would be that I’d be happy about spending it there.


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# 61 MrWrestling3 @ 10/04/16 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Poopador
Yes, I can cheese my way to a triple double, but I would rather play realistic basketball and not have to be the facilitator for every single possession while I'm on the court. I would also like to be able to take advantage of a mismatch on the perimeter if the defense puts a slow big man on me without relying on screens or glitches.
This is an issue i run into as well, sometimes it feels like the game is not built for you to play realistic basketball at all, rather it is built for you to play overly video gamey hero ball and do nothing but go for highlight plays.
 
# 62 MoodMuzik @ 10/04/16 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Poopador
Sure, you can earn VC in every game you play. But it still requires several hours worth of playing to earn enough to make your player halfway decent. So if someone, like myself, doesn't have more than 5-10 hours per week to play video games, it's going to take me well over a month to earn enough VC just to make my PG fast enough to outrun a center on the break. That's assuming I don't want to also buy any accessories or different clothes for the unskippable cutscenes.
That is the worst cop-out ever. Let me stop you there, you better not play Uncharted 4, or Fallout 4, or any Elder Scrolls game, or Last of Us, or etc etc. Because you don't have time lol. Because, you don't have time to play those titles.


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The difference is that a headband or arm sleeve doesn't alter your abilities on the court. Having different weapons, armor, etc. in those games affects how you might play. You can have the same abilities as everyone else from the beginning. Imagine if you had to play Battlefield or COD for a month moving at half the speed of everybody else, you can't throw your grenades as far, and your shots don't always go where you aim them. That's your starting player in 2k's career mode.
Imagine, instead I load my game a month after release when everyone else got it. And they now have +300 armour and +500 damage, and I get the drop on them, unload my starter MP3 into their back, and they turn around and blow me away with their heavily modded black market diamond encrusted assault rifle. That's online warfare games. Is that the developers fault? No. I need to put the time into the game in order to reap the rewards.


In all seriousness... 2k put out a game they envisioned. A 20 year career mode (if you play ONLINE, yes, they should separate the 2). Which is basketball's version of a 20 year campaign mode. If you would like to immerse yourself in what the developers envisioned, please do. Live the life of a "tedious practice filled NBA career (or you know, don't because you can skip those, and yes, you won't get better, ergo the reason for practicing in life). BUT, if you would like to skip ahead into the career, OR you don't have TIME to play this all out, the option to spend $10 extra here or there (AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION, they don't just rip $60 more out of your wallets, you don't have to go ALL IN) the option is there.

Kobe Bryant being the cover is probably the perfect example for this years story.

Drafted just after lottery in the 1st round. Still came off the bench for 15 minutes a game only (yeah the first round near-lotto pick from High School with great upside). Scored 7 ppg.

2nd year, huge minutes jump just under 30minpergame, still got 16ppg.

3rd year, now playing a whopping 38 minutes a game! Still has yet to score 20ppg average.

Wasn't until his 4th year that he popped the 22+ clip. And we know how hard of a worker Kobe is.

So don't say all of this is unrealistic, 2K created a long story instead of years past of being a 99 overall after your rookie season. You can grind like an NBA player who excelled at the High School and College level, and now has to work to be good in NBA.

Hell, Matt Leinart was probably an 85 overall coming out of college into the NFL, but he was probably close to a 60
 
# 63 El_Poopador @ 10/04/16 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MoodMuzik
That is the worst cop-out ever. Let me stop you there, you better not play Uncharted 4, or Fallout 4, or any Elder Scrolls game, or Last of Us, or etc etc. Because you don't have time lol. Because, you don't have time to play those titles.
How is it a cop-out? In those games, my enemies are at the same level as myself. Or, I will be over-leveled if I decide to grind. In 2k, it's the opposite; I have to grind to reach the same level as my opponents.

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Imagine, instead I load my game a month after release when everyone else got it. And they now have +300 armour and +500 damage, and I get the drop on them, unload my starter MP3 into their back, and they turn around and blow me away with their heavily modded black market diamond encrusted assault rifle. That's online warfare games. Is that the developers fault? No. I need to put the time into the game in order to reap the rewards.
You're assuming I want to be a 99 overall from the start. That is not at all the case. But I should be able to at least beat a center up the court as a point guard, no?

In any case, I wasn't even referring to online play. I start the game at a severe disadvantage compared to every single opposing player I might come up against. In all aspects: speed, strength, quickness, dribbling, shooting, passing, stamina, etc. Whether I start playing the game on release day or 6 months later, I am not able to keep up with other NBA players, who should possess a similar skillset and athletic ability as myself.

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In all seriousness... 2k put out a game they envisioned. A 20 year career mode (if you play ONLINE, yes, they should separate the 2). Which is basketball's version of a 20 year campaign mode. If you would like to immerse yourself in what the developers envisioned, please do. Live the life of a "tedious practice filled NBA career (or you know, don't because you can skip those, and yes, you won't get better, ergo the reason for practicing in life). BUT, if you would like to skip ahead into the career, OR you don't have TIME to play this all out, the option to spend $10 extra here or there (AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION, they don't just rip $60 more out of your wallets, you don't have to go ALL IN) the option is there.
That's great. It's super realistic. I guess I just missed the part of the game where I can build up my athleticism and skills in the first 18 years of my life and become a player with a skillset worthy of playing in the NBA. I totally forgot that most NBA players can't outrun a slug or make a single three pointer until their second or third year in the NBA.

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Kobe Bryant being the cover is probably the perfect example for this years story.

Drafted just after lottery in the 1st round. Still came off the bench for 15 minutes a game only (yeah the first round near-lotto pick from High School with great upside). Scored 7 ppg.

2nd year, huge minutes jump just under 30minpergame, still got 16ppg.

3rd year, now playing a whopping 38 minutes a game! Still has yet to score 20ppg average.

Wasn't until his 4th year that he popped the 22+ clip. And we know how hard of a worker Kobe is.
But was he able to shoot a three pointer, or run faster than Shaq, or make a contested layup, or dribble near a defender without losing the ball before that? I'm willing to bet the answer is yes to all of those questions.

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So don't say all of this is unrealistic, 2K created a long story instead of years past of being a 99 overall after your rookie season. You can grind like an NBA player who excelled at the High School and College level, and now has to work to be good in NBA.
Again, the difference is that they were still halfway decent at the sport, and already athletic by the time they got to the NBA. No one has to spend a full NBA season to break a 6 second 40 time. No one has to spend a full NBA season to be able to dribble between their legs without losing the ball. No one spends a full NBA season to be able to shoot better than a high school freshman on the JV team.

No one wants to be a 99 from the start. I don't understand how anyone thinks that. All we want is to actually have the skillset and athleticism of an NBA player when we, you know, play in the NBA.
 
# 64 KingStian @ 10/04/16 05:27 PM
It's not the fact that you start out as a 55 rated player that is the big issue people are taking with the story, even though it lessens the fun to have the speed and basketball skills of your average tree log starting out. The issue people are taking with you starting out as a 55 rated tree log is that you are presented all the way through college as someone special and the next big sensation.

- You were the number one high school player in America and your college choice was national news.
- The broadcasters during your college games talks about you like you are the next big thing.
- During the Midnight Madness you are hailed as a savior of the school and someone who are gonna lead the program to a Championship.
- You are recruited to play for Team USA by Coach K before you are even drafted.
- When you're drafted people are talking about you as their next Franchise player.
- When you are presented on the press conference with the other drafted players you leave afterwards with your agent to talk to shoe companies.

These are not things that make you fit with being the lowest skilled player in your draft class.

It would be fine to be a nobody coming into the league if the story surrounding you fit the narrative of you being someone who has to fight for everything on your way to the top. If you are presented as a D-League level player who barley made it to the NBA, a 55 rating would be fine. But you still should have the basic athletic abilities to outrun a walking Dick Bavetta carrying Charles Barkley when you're running full speed.
 
# 65 MoodMuzik @ 10/04/16 06:57 PM
Why not adjust the difficulty? Why does everyone think they HAVE to play on HOF? Or SS for that matter?

And fact is, at a 70 overall you're already over-powered.

Look at Smoove, he jumped into a level 78... 78 only... and it looked like was the quickest, fastest, kyrie irving handled player to ever touch a basketball. Flying around the court with absurd ease, in and out of double teams, easy layups and racking up assists.

All done on the hardest difficult^^^

And that's supposed to be an average player.
 
# 66 Tstone77 @ 10/04/16 08:00 PM
I understand your gripes, but I actually enjoy the story. Last year it was awful, but I respected the fact that they were trying to put some effort into the mode. Unlike Madden(last time I played) which lets you just pick what team you're on, and has you just play games.
I hope next year they add the D-league back in kind of like it was in 2k10. In summary, I rather 2k try to do something different and fail rather than keep shipping the same product...you know who you are.

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# 67 MoodMuzik @ 10/04/16 08:28 PM
I think the only way to do it really, is to have your high school or college year(s) and wherever you go in the draft, you get a ratings cap.

Top 3 - 75 overall
Lotto - 70 overall... so on and so forth.
 
# 68 Sinner @ 10/04/16 10:00 PM
Have always felt that realism has been lacking in MyCareer, not only is starting so low with your rating bad, barely being able to dunk, dribble or make a lay-up much less shoot but what you get paid in VC compared to what you have to pay to buy things is terribly off base.

I make an appearance and do an event for a company. I get anywhere from 50-120 VC... go to the "store" and a Arm Sleeve is 1'000 VC? Totally ridiculous
 
# 69 AceDawg5 @ 10/04/16 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS
Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

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This article says everything I've been saying since the change from My player to My Career. It's pretty sad because there's so much potential. But the execution is easily recognizable as a money grab. How can a 1st round draft pick's game salary not be enough to buy a pair of shoes? Really makes me feel rich. Heck my real life paycheck is better than these "up and coming" superstars'

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# 70 burter @ 10/05/16 12:53 AM
This is why I'm waiting on Steam summer sale to hopefully get this for 12 bucks like I did 2k16. I only play MC mode and since it's looks to be like last years story mode, I will skip till the 2nd season (which kills it for me because I like to build my guy up and play every game). Can't you just do a mode were it can be like 2k10 with summer league games? Either play them then get drafted or get drafted then play them for your new team to see if you get called up. Either way will be better then this story mode junk.
 
# 71 NARFALICIOUS @ 10/05/16 04:16 AM
Who is complaining about being rated 55 in college? At 55, I can get drafted in the lottery on Allstar Difficulty. I wouldn't spend VC until I know Im happy with how the career is going, i.e. position, body style, team..
 
# 72 StubbyStan @ 10/05/16 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tstone77
I understand your gripes, but I actually enjoy the story. Last year it was awful, but I respected the fact that they were trying to put some effort into the mode. Unlike Madden(last time I played) which lets you just pick what team you're on, and has you just play games.
I hope next year they add the D-league back in kind of like it was in 2k10. In summary, I rather 2k try to do something different and fail rather than keep shipping the same product...you know who you are.

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I always applaud Visual Concepts for trying something when they definitely don't have to. They're the only game in town. I enjoy the story they're trying to tell (I even enjoyed last year's). My problem isn't with the story, it's with the fact that your player's ability doesn't match the story they're trying to tell.

There are several people on the thread that are saying that there's a legitimate reason to keep you that low gimped because human players are THAT much better than the AI that an average human player will always outplay an AI controlled superstar. That shouldn't be the case.

If the narrative talks about you as being a great prospect, you should be rated as such, not the lowest skilled player in the league (which is exactly what you are).

Thanks so much for reading the piece and commenting! I really appreciate it!
 
# 73 2Kray @ 10/07/16 09:45 AM
Why everytime I TOUCH the ball I'm immediately double teamed? CPU defenders will leave their man to come double me from the tip-off til end of the game. I'm a Post-Scorer PF and due to the lacking statcap for playmaking this is a game-killer honestly
 
# 74 Slegger @ 10/07/16 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS

Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.



I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!



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"....Wouldn’t it make sense from a immersion -- and moral -- standpoint to start your player with a rating in at least the 70s..."

I disagree, but what they should have done is to write a story that fits us starting as a 55 overall and grinding our ways into stardom.
In a way the NBA2K15 approach made way more sense, you started as an undrafted, 55 overall player, working your way into the NBA mid season by starting off on a 10 day contact. That story was perfect, but unfortunately badly executed.
 
# 75 zrohman @ 10/07/16 01:05 PM
I think you can summarize this very simply. Realistically you should start out at around 70 rating, but realistically they want to make a little extra money so they should start us out at a 65. The problem is this game is so good and so popular but they will milk every dime they can and start you out at a 57, which would basically be there waiting that my mom would get if she played basketball. It's unfortunate but they can do it because they want to
 
# 76 keshunleon @ 10/12/16 04:29 PM
I agree with the OP, 55 yet you are drafted in the 1st round. He should start off at least at a 73 or 75 then you can work your way up.
I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing. I've earned about 7000 VC but because of the servers I can't collect on it (this sucks the most).

They may need to have it where you can only increase your rating 5-10 points per season for realism.

I have had 3 triple doubles in 5 games and 2 30+ games.
 
# 77 Nza @ 10/14/16 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by keshunleon
...I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing....
I don't think you have to look much further than this, this is why you start so lowly rated. It's because it makes them money. This is fine, they're allowed to make money, but there is no doubting they make more like that than if you started closer to 80 OVR. And now they've gone down this path, they can't go back - it would simply equate to money lost.
 
# 78 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS
Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

In fact, I walk out of the room during the cut-scenes and turn the commentary off during games because it just ruins the experience. It's not "MY Career" at all. It's "THE PRES's Career".

Not only that, I play on HOF (and I aint that good at it!). My dude is a rookie, 20th draft pick, getting about 10 minutes a game, averaging 3 points, 1 block, 5 rebounds 1.5 assists. Which isn't half bad in real life for a 19 year old rookie coming off the bench for ten minutes.

But the cut-scenes constantly refer to him being in a slump and playing really badly.

Social media is even worse. Half of them are tearing shreds off him as if he should be leading the team in all stats and he's the next coming of Micheal Jordan only getting a few points per game ... and the other half are asking when he's going to be on the cover of the next 2K18! WTF? Neither thing is appropriate.

There's two problems here:

1. The world around you all acts in a totally pre-scripted, "he's a superstar" way regardless of how you're actually playing.

The game is built with your player being "the star" as pre-scripted. Even if you play horribly you're still treated as "the star". You still get a starting spot at X pre-scripted point. You still form some dumb "orange juice" connection with another rookie coming off the bench. You still get major shoe deals. You still get selected to play for the national team. etc. etc.

There is no path in the game where you play as a guy fighting for a starting spot, or just fighting not to get cut from the team. And of course nobody wants to be in that position, but actually succeeding and getting the starting spot, becoming the star or the super-star, etc. that will be all the more rewarding if it isn't your pre-defined destiny from day #1 no matter what you do.

FFS, I actually simmed through a rookie season as an experiment to see what would happen, and my guy still got selected in the bloody all-star team and the dunk competition even though my sim-stats were awful and he was still rated 55 overall!

2. When your stats are actually taken into consideration, your actual court time is not!

For example, you could play 6 minutes and score 4 points, 4 rebounds and an assist and this will be treated by the game as if your player is "in a slump". Your mum will text you and tell you how bad you're playing. lol. wtf? They're great stats for six minutes of play from a 19 year old rookie. Guys on social media will tear shreds off you for not passing more or something silly like that.
 
# 79 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 07:11 AM
P.S. so basically, I have the opposite opinion of what many others have expressed.

They seem to want you player to start with higher stats so the story makes sense.

I want the story to react and make sense compared to your stats.

If you're rated 57 overall you are NOT the number one high school player. You are NOT getting major shoe endorsement contracts. And social media fans, commentators, team-mates, etc. do NOT treat you like the next coming of Michael Jordan.

Of course, they should do all that if you EARN it over the season OR if you just had heaps of VC to max-out your player from day #1. Now that is all totally pre-scripted though.

Part of the problem is the over-reliance on cut-scenes. I'd enjoy the game much more if they just removed all the cut-scenes and in fact the whole "story", and just made it an open-world basketball career simulation. You might be a superstar. You might be fighting not to get cut from the team. Either way, the sim-basketball world around you reacts realistically.
 
# 80 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cheez7
How about one week, you're getting cutscenes about you and Justice being the faces of the franchise and the next week there's talk about him or both of you being traded? Really? Two rookies being billed as the cornerstones of the franchise tied into DIRT CHEAP FOUR-YEAR ROOKIE DEALS involved in trade talk... not to mention I had the Jazz with the best record in the NBA at that point in time (ahead of the Warriors).

And I get the text thing is supposed to be playful, but when the rest of the game is built around realism, it seems really silly.

Why is John Wall getting pissed at me for not wanting to skip a mandatory team practice to go bowling with him? Why am I taking a private jet with the owner somewhere the night before a home game? Why is a team executive, Larry Bird, asking a player who's not on his team to hang out? Last time I checked, that's costing the Pacers a draft pick or two. And why am I hanging out with 1980's Larry Bird?

Why do I go back to my court after games/practices on a road trip? Why are you at your team's practice facility on the road? Why am I making local sponsorship appearances while I'm on the road?

Why does the reporter just stroll into an off-day practice like he owns the place?

Why are my teammates asking me to play 3 on 3 the morning of a game?

None of this happens in the NBA... it's been a couple weeks since I played the mode cause I've moved onto franchise now we have preseason rosters, so I forget some of the other silliness in regards to realism.

2K should form a partnership with Telltale and just come up with a different experience for MyPlayer... one where your choices really have an impact on the storyline and everything isn't scripted/out of place.

And like first post mentioned... PLEASE let us skip cutscenes... I hit a couple bugs where I had to watch the same cutscene three times before I figured out a workaround.

That and not having to press "A" (or "X" on PS4 haha) 50 times during a game to keep advancing through timeouts, free throws, end of quarters/halves would be awesome too... Madden '17 killed it in this department... you hold "A" down and immediately bypass whatever is keeping you from playing the game.

That being said, they do an awesome job with the features in franchise mode... I know a lot of folks will nitpick that the way I did to myplayer hahaha (I hate moving a team and seeing them wear their old warmups), but we've come a looooong way in that department since the original stat tracking seasons of Baseball Stars and Super Tecmo Bowl! :-)
This post made me laugh.

... and I agree 100% with everything that was said.
 


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