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Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook
This demo justifies some of the talk about the NCAA Football 12 gameplay simply being NCAA Football 11.5.

Christian McLeod: Fiction. Give me a break, NCAA 11 was the strongest entry in the series since it made the leap to this generation of consoles. The development team seems to have chosen to polish a solid NCAA 11 foundation up by removing warping, enhancing CPU AI and adding a bevy of new animations. However, the game gets knocked for being NCAA 11.5?

Newsflash, EA did not plan on completely overhauling its football engine or incorporating real-time physics this year -- time to accept that. I may not be happy with certain aspects of the demo, but I am not going to crucify EA for not innovating the title enough from year to year. It's strange that we rarely hear this kind of talk regarding the NBA 2K franchise, even though in the past it has shown moderate year-to-year gameplay improvements -- NBA 2K11 not withstanding. Even stranger is that we didn't hear these sentiments when NCAA 05 and NCAA 06 were released and were eerily similar in the gameplay department to NCAA 04.

As someone who dumped almost 11 months into NCAA 11, the gameplay improvements in the NCAA 12 demo were apparent within minutes of picking up the controller. Don't believe me? Play the demo for a few hours and then pop in NCAA 11. It's almost unplayable. You are free to believe that the game has not innovated as much as you expected, but to claim this game has not had enough gameplay refinements to differentiate itself from NCAA Football 11 is ridiculous.


Dustin Toms: Fiction. It's people like this that frustrate me the most. Like Christian said, NCAA 11 was a really good game, and in my opinion, the best current-gen football game to date. Yes, even better than All-Pro Football.

Of course there are similarities when comparing the demo to last year's game, but the demo is an old build. Regardless, the game is noticeably more fluid than last year's. In addition, the CPU AI was also changed up a bit in a good way. If anything, the developers may have just added in a little too much good with the AI in the demo. What I mean is that the quarterbacks are now throwing away passes, and I love that they are actually getting rid of the ball now, but throwing the ball away four or five times per drive is a little insane -- I have to assume this is an easy fix.

Point being, this is one of the first times I've ever seen a significant improvement when comparing the previous season's retail version to the new season's demo.

Following a relatively strong showing with NCAA Football 11, this NCAA 12 demo signifies that the development team is officially moving back towards making this franchise the monster it once was during the PS2/Xbox era.

Christian McLeod: Fact. It took five titles this console generation to right the ship, but I am confident that the NCAA Football series is well on its way to reclaiming the glory of its PS2/Xbox counterparts. What makes me feel even better is that those I have talked to at Tiburon know the stripped-down approach that was taken when the series debuted on the Xbox 360 cost them this generation. I think the series will be solid for the rest of this console generation before hitting the next-gen consoles with a bang.


Dustin Toms: Fact. When you also take into consideration NCAA 11, I think it's fair to say the development team is back on the right track. Last year, the developers made a great game, and this year it's already better. I don't believe that any of EA's developers, for any game, are not devoted to making a better game. These guys just happened to get there quicker than some others.

Our very own Jayson Young had some strong feelings about this demo in our staff roundtable:

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The dynamic lighting, detailed stadiums and individualized player uniforms are the only things that feel truly next-gen to me in this demo. Every other part of the NCAA Football 12 demo feels about the same as it has for the last decade or so. That being said, I would have no problem saying that this is the best NCAA Football game to hit current-gen consoles.

But is that enough? I would have to say that it is not. Not when NBA 2K and MLB: The Show have TV-quality commentary, or Backbreaker and FIFA have unscripted contact animations. I just feel like NCAA Football has settled into the role of being a mediocre sports franchise that continues to sell well only because it belongs to the football genre -- and most American sports gamers cannot live without a new football game (or two) every 12 months. I can, so I'll continue enjoying the better sports games on the market until this franchise meets the rest of the industry's standards.
I have seen many folks around here agreeing with him. Even if you want to call that the vocal minority, do you think he's justified in saying this is a second-tier franchise when looking at the overall sports gaming landscape?

Christian McLeod: Fiction. I probably would have agreed with this comment before NCAA Football 11 was released, but I don't know how anyone can say this is a mediocre franchise after the effort that went into NCAA 11. One perfect example deals with the presentation that was added to the game. We consistently knock sports games for not having realistic presentation, as well as the "little things" that keep the experience fresh months later. The NCAA team adds in several team-specific rituals and entrances that go above and beyond what we saw in the PS2/Xbox versions to appease fans, and then the NCAA team gets knocked by the same people they are attempting to please -- being accused of not spending enough time on gameplay and too much time on presentation.

The best part is that if the NCAA team were to go ahead and implement a full-on physics engine, which might cause them to overlook team entrances, Online Dynasty mode or some special facemask design, then folks in the vocal minority would be back screaming and complaining about how they can not comprehend why these little details are constantly overlooked. It's a complete no-win situation for the team at Tiburon. You want to talk about what next-gen feels like? How about an Online Dynasty mode that revolutionized online interaction in sports games, complete with Dynasty Anywhere and StoryBuilder. Yeah, mediocre games typically have those types of features.

There is a group of people that are just never happy no matter what a game contains. I get it, NFL 2K5 does not exist anymore -- and Jayson hearts 2K football -- so EA is the big bad wolf out to screw gamers. I'm not saying that the on-field gameplay of NCAA is perfect, and by no means am I here to be an EA apologist, but I will give credit where credit is due. NCAA 11 played an enjoyable and fun game of college football (with the right slider tweaks), and calling it mediocre is a farce. Every game mentioned by Jayson has its own flaws that are simply overlooked by the grass-is-always-greener crowd. NCAA Football gets knocked for something as small as the lack of eye black, yet a blind eye is turned when the mighty MLB 11: The Show can't seem to implement a much more important auto-save and load into their game out of the box, or even a dedicated playoff mode.

I love the passion Jayson showed in his response, I really do. But at the end of the day, we are still playing a video game, and I prefer to look at the glass as half full. So I will choose to look at the good that NCAA gave me last year rather than get bogged down by the negatives. Trust me, one thing I've learned at this job is that people, myself included, will always have high expectations in regards to football games. And no matter what, as a hardcore football fan and gamer I realize no football game will ever be perfect. Nevertheless, the NCAA series being considered mediocre, especially after NCAA 11? Get real.


Dustin Toms: Fiction.

Jayson, I love you, but I could not disagree with you more on this. First of all, MLB: The Show has some horrid commentary. It makes me want to barf at times. I'm not saying NCAA is any better, but in no way should it be considered that much worse than what's found in The Show.

As for calling NCAA Football a second-tier franchise, just shake me please. NCAA Football is one of few sports franchises that are worth your $60 when taking into consideration the entire package. Dynasty mode has been solid for years, and it keeps improving with more and more recruiting options. Online Dynasty mode is a huge success, and I can only see the mode getting better because it seems like the popularity of it seems to be skyrocketing.

Lastly, I just disagree with anyone who says Backbreaker is better than NCAA, or even Madden. It was a decent game with some great physics, but there were way too many improvements that needed to be made -- not to mention it was a relatively bare bones game -- before putting it on some sort of pedestal.

You're more excited about NCAA Football 12 after playing this demo.

Christian McLeod: Fiction. This is kind of a silly question for me since I played the game at E3. After I played the build at E3 a few weeks back, I was left wanting more. The demo feels like an older build than what I had played, so I can't wait for my review copy to arrive in a couple days.


Dustin Toms: Fact. It didn't necessarily excite me only because of the way it played, rather it also simply served as a fresh reminder that the retail version is coming out soon.


You've heard from our staff, but feel free to answer the fact or fictions questions in the comments -- we want to hear from all of you.

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Member Comments
# 61 Skyboxer @ 07/01/11 06:30 PM
I think we're a long ways off(if ever) before we get AI that plays video game football like a human.
I just think if people are waiting for that level of intelligence (high or low ) you'll be waiting a long time.
 
# 62 statum71 @ 07/01/11 06:37 PM
Christian and Dustin......

BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article.

And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!
 
# 63 statum71 @ 07/01/11 06:39 PM
I felt the difference on the very first tackle of the opening kickoff.
 
# 64 statum71 @ 07/01/11 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by khaliib
As I stated things here at OS has changed from how it was several years ago.

Not that there was a sinister motive by these writers in particular, but there seems to be a sinister attitude towards those that have a view that might not be as positive about the game.
(Just read some of the replies)

When the writer starts off by saying "It's people like this..." because the veiw was different, kind of seems like the whole purpose of the write-up was to say those that don't see the game on the same manner, simply are lacking something to have such a view.
(I wouldn't or did not say Stupid)

I wouldn't say that a Gamers can't have an opinion, but I've watched how none-positive notations about EA games have been met with sinister replies that seem to be given more leeway in expression.

In a nutshell, I replied because I wondered if those that agreed with Jayson's write-up (not as positve), if such a person would be given the same leeway to do a Fact or Fiction write-up to counter such gloating perspectives that the writers present?

Would it be Deleted?
Would they be warned or Banned?

I could care less one way or another and take no side, it's a video game.
I've got likes and dislikes, but still will buy and find a way to enjoy it.

This is the Best Gaming Forum in my opinion and I just don't want it to lose it's balance.
I don't want OS to loose its balance either. I think we contribute a lot to the development of sports games in a positive way.

But I'm with Dustin and Christian on this. Yes, it has some flaws (every game does). But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.

Like I said....I noticed from the opening kickoff.
 
# 65 Steel City 3 @ 07/01/11 07:20 PM
deffinetly the best post i've ever read... i especially agree wit Christian's respose to Jayson... **** read
 
# 66 blkrptnt819 @ 07/01/11 07:24 PM
Somebody called me a EA fanboy. I had to laugh. I already have my laundry list of complaints ready for the wishlist forum. But the improvements in gameplay are noticable. I just don't want them to rest on their laurels so I let them know things I feel are missing. But to call this game an example of EA putting the same product out to get our money is a bit of a downplay of the effort put into this game.

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# 67 khaliib @ 07/01/11 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by statum71
But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.
I wouldn't go that far.

There are so many perspectives of what looks/plays right and what's changed, there really isn't a right or wrong dealing with the game.
We're talking Millions of different perspectives.

We wouldn't be having many of these discussions if the game was more customizable.

Options, options, options.

I feel that's why so many agreed with Jayson's write-up, because there are no options or have very limited options that allow them to fix what they feel is wrong about their game.

Example:
No Recruit Editor eventhough every year, gamers run to the Forums looking for Slider/Re-Rated Rosters to help improve an aspect of Gameplay they don't like.

Again, so many perspectives, but limited options for Gamers to adjust to their own perspective, is what's driving much of the around here.

Life will go on though!!!
 
# 68 Watson @ 07/01/11 07:29 PM
wait, positive impressions?

Steve, it's time to fire these clowns. That's not what we do here at OS. Your boys are stepping out of line.
 
# 69 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by statum71
Christian and Dustin......

BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article.

And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!

Ok, I agree there are some people who do complain and expect more. But THIS is not a problem to me. Now it can get annoying from some people who complain about things that they have no clue about but for the others that do and just want the best football game possible, I see no problem with the critisism as long as they are acknowledging the good as well. The problem we have is NCAA and Madden are monopolies, they have no competition and the only thing they have to push them are our opinions/money, now I am not talking about the devs here, I think they are really starting to listen to the hardcore fans now, who are the minority. You can not "settle" that this is the best they could have done or they will only give you the same effort each time. They need to get better every year, I think some people are just soft or don't understand the importance of different opinions. But to categorize "It's people like this..." kind of pisses me off, although I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone but its more that I'm pissed off of the idea that we've become a fanbase that has to be positive even when there are still plenty of negatives.

Its just like if you are a coach and your receiver makes a great catch but didn't run the route properly. You praise the receiver for the catch but you also have to get on him about running the route correctly or he'll do it wrong again.

That's my perspective.

Now I will still enjoy NCAA 12 and express how much I am enjoying it once I get the game, but at the same time I will point out the negatives as well.
 
# 70 statum71 @ 07/01/11 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sparkdawg777
Ok, I agree there are some people who do complain and expect more. But THIS is not a problem to me. Now it can get annoying from some people who complain about things that they have no clue about but for the others that do and just want the best football game possible, I see no problem with the critisism as long as they are acknowledging the good as well. The problem we have is NCAA and Madden are monopolies, they have no competition and the only thing they have to push them are our opinions/money, now I am not talking about the devs here, I think they are really starting to listen to the hardcore fans now, who are the minority. You can not "settle" that this is the best they could have done or they will only give you the same effort each time. They need to get better every year, I think some people are just soft or don't understand the importance of different opinions. But to categorize "It's people like this..." kind of pisses me off, although I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone but its more that I'm pissed off of the idea that we've become a fanbase that has to be positive even when there are still plenty of negatives.

Its just like if you are a coach and your receiver makes a great catch but didn't run the route properly. You praise the receiver for the catch but you also have to get on him about running the route correctly or he'll do it wrong again.

That's my perspective.

Now I will still enjoy NCAA 12 and express how much I am enjoying it once I get the game, but at the same time I will point out the negatives as well.
I can agree with the example.

But if the receiver WAS running a bad route AND dropping the ball before........I can appreciate that he did do SOMETHING better. Though he still could be better.

To say he's doing the same thing he always does just wouldn't be fact.
 
# 71 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by statum71
I can agree with the example.

But if the receiver WAS running a bad route AND dropping the ball before........I can appreciate that he did do SOMETHING better. Though he still could be better.

To say he's doing the same thing he always does just wouldn't be fact.

I'm not trying to focus too much on the example I gave because obviously NCAA gets better each year. I'm just saying it is ok to praise something and point out the negatives at the same time. That's the main point of the example.

If you want to stick to the example, EA is the only receiver we have so if he's still doing something wrong we have to point it out, i.e. CPU TO A.I., no huddle too fast, etc. Fact is if it were not for the people who criticised the zone coverage being awful who knows if it would have been fixed. The CPU spread running game is still bad, there are still flaws along with the good.
 
# 72 TreyIM2 @ 07/01/11 08:52 PM
Without reading all of this - If one is to compare what NCAA 12, even 11, has done to NBA2K is WORK ON GAMELPLAY. I've said it several times about 2K going hard on icing and doing next to squat about the cake. They bank on the psychology that MANY, perhaps TOO MANY, of us are VISUAL BEINGS more than anything else. Think about how that comes to play with women and cars....

Yes, EA can do more with presentation but all that means nothing to me if gameplay isn't there and/or improves and this is why my 2K11 has caught early dust where as NCAA 11 survived MUCH longer with me.
 
# 73 BenGerman @ 07/01/11 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Eski33
What other games, there has only been one. I would love to see multiple commentary teams but let's be realistic. Brad Nessler and Kirk Herbstreit arent doing this for free. Throw inone or two more commentary teams and there is additional cost.
Both FIFA and NCAA Basketball have used more than one broadcast team. That would be two games.

I don't know if you read my other post, but I think a lot of people would be willing to pay for some DLC that allowed us to download another broadcast team like FIFA did. Maybe like $3. And I am being realistic. They have said this is something they are looking into. I don't see what the big deal is that I'm asking that EA do something with their commentary situation?

I haven't trashed NCAA 12 at all, and I love everything they have done with the game. I loved the Demo and I'll be the first in line to pick the game up. But it is clear at this point that they need to take a new direction with the commentary. Whether it be Dynamic Commentary or multiple broadcast teams.
 
# 74 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BenGerman
Both FIFA and NCAA Basketball have used more than one broadcast team. That would be two games.

I don't know if you read my other post, but I think a lot of people would be willing to pay for some DLC that allowed us to download another broadcast team like FIFA did. Maybe like $3. And I am being realistic. They have said this is something they are looking into. I don't see what the big deal is that I'm asking that EA do something with their commentary situation?

I haven't trashed NCAA 12 at all, and I love everything they have done with the game. I loved the Demo and I'll be the first in line to pick the game up. But it is clear at this point that they need to take a new direction with the commentary. Whether it be Dynamic Commentary or multiple broadcast teams.


You mean for this year or next year? I would definately put down $3 for new commentary.
 
# 75 BenGerman @ 07/01/11 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sparkdawg777
You mean for this year or next year? I would definately put down $3 for new commentary.
The Madden team I believe said they were looking into it (could have been NCAA) for next year. They said its something that is very difficult to get together, but I don't doubt that its something they could do in the next couple of years, if not next.
 
# 76 canes21 @ 07/01/11 10:50 PM
So adding on to presentation is no longer considered adding to presentation. Oh OS...

 
# 77 khaliib @ 07/01/11 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM
I got my retail version in the mail today...downloaded the 1st tuner set and WOW! This game blows NCAA 11 to unrecognizable bits and pieces. Someone call a C.S.I. because NCAA 11 just got murdered!
I wish we knew what the 1st Tuner Set consisted of.
Would go a long way in helping the community to move on.
 
# 78 RUFFNREADY @ 07/01/11 11:53 PM
What i dont get is; why would EA send out a Demo that is an older build of a game; than the demo that they showed off at E3 this year? Dont they always want to put their best foot forward, and sell lots of games? Is this good business practice?
cheers, from a concerned gamer.
 
# 79 canes21 @ 07/01/11 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MattP598
If watching a team run out of tunnel gets you going more power to you.
It's not like I sit there and jump up and down while I watch the pregame stuff, but I definitely never skip anything. If the game loaded and went simply to the kickoff, or coin toss, then I'd be pretty upset. Myself and others enjoy watching teams run on to the field. Even in NCAA 11 when it was the same camera angles over and over, I never skipped an entrance in my dynasties.
 
# 80 He1nousOne1 @ 07/02/11 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RUFFNREADY
What i dont get is; why would EA send out a Demo that is an older build of a game; than the demo that they showed off at E3 this year? Dont they always want to put their best foot forward, and sell lots of games? Is this good business practice?
cheers, from a concerned gamer.
Well, Nike paid for that Demo to come out. That means that business arrangement may have happened at a point in time when the game was in the state that we saw it in the Demo. Instead of updating the Demo in real time as they were updating the main game they just kept it as it was when the arrangement was made.

Nike gets their uniforms shown off in a special demo and the final build is kept out of the hands of every single consumer until the 12th.
 


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