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#1: The analog controls in MLB '11: The Show will be a monumental success and will surpass what 2K has done with analog controls thus far.

Christian McLeod: Fiction. Like the overall game or not, it's tough to knock 2K when it comes to the implementation of analog controls, particularly the pitching, in MLB 2K. MLB 11's analog controls will breathe new life into a series that has been beyond stale controls-wise for the last three years. While this will translate to monumental success for the series in my eyes, 2K's solid job thus far with analog implementation makes it difficult for me to believe that MLB 11 will be adding anything that is leaps and bounds better.

Dustin Toms: Fiction. Christian is absolutely correct. The analog controls should be a huge improvement for the game, but they won't be up to par with what 2K has been doing the past few years. For example, The Show could conceivably experience issues with their controls for awhile or even need an early patch. In the long run, it is a great move for them, but I don't expect it to be outstanding from the outset.

Caley Roark: Fact. Given The Show's hesitancy to jump on board the analog-control-scheme train, I think the developers' first try will be a calculated effort aimed to get it right. After all, this is not a gimmicky addition to boost sales -- 2K is not really a major competitor at this point, especially critically speaking. The first attempt might not be earth shaking, but it will be successful and more natural than 2K's efforts.

#2: EA Sports will make a baseball game as soon as 2K Sports drops the exclusive license.

Christian McLeod: Fact.
Actually, if there were something that was more fact than the word fact, that would be my answer. Let's just say this, while at an EA event last year a former developer of the MVP series was all too eager to discuss the MVP franchise with me, knowing I was such a fan of MVP 05. This person was also extremely coy with me when I asked point blank when MVP was coming back. If ever I needed confirmation that MVP was high on the EA priority list, this was it. Trust me when I say that EA is counting down the days until the MLB exclusivity agreement expires (or is dropped by 2K).

Dustin Toms: Fiction. EA will make a MLB game again, but don't expect it to be as soon as humanly possible. EA has been known for mailing it in from time to time, but I don't expect the company to rush the game out to coincide with the exclusivity agreement ending. And if people need a reason why I feel EA will take its time, just look at NBA Elite 11 -- the company decided to make the right choice and pull it off the calendar to further develop it. That move right there makes me believe that EA will put MVP into development when the license drops, but we won't see a retail product for a couple years.

Caley Roark: Fact. It's not really a leap to say that EA likes the easy dollar. This is not a shot at the games released by the company, rather just a comment on past strategies. If the folks at EA see a hot sports market that they can exploit, they don't waste time or worry about risks (see: EA MMA). I think as soon as its possible, an MLB series will be back in the fold at EA.



#3: 2K Sports will not make a baseball game after the MLB exclusivity agreement ends.


Christian McLeod: Fiction.
Even though Take-Two boss Strauss Zelnick came out and lambasted the MLB exclusive license, the key point that needed to be understood was that 2K continues to lose money because of the MLB exclusive license, not because 2K Sports makes a MLB game. There is a possibility that 2K may shy away from the simulation baseball market once the exclusivity license expires, but count on seeing more casual/arcade baseball games made. The Bigs is a perfect example -- no way 2K walks away from baseball.

Dustin Toms: Fiction. 2K would be dumb not to continue to make a rapidly improving title. The MLB 2K series has arguably shown the most improvement of any sports series the past two years. (If you consider the fact that this series is one of the culprits that jump started the "$60 roster update" comments, the "most improved" comment becomes even more impressive.) Now with the new mechanics in place, especially the pitching, 2K might eventually give The Show a run for its money in a couple years.

Caley Roark: Fiction. I'll say fiction, but I'll agree with Christian. I predict 2K will drop the improving, but still relatively mediocre, simulation franchise, and intensify efforts on the arcade front. Maybe the studio will even tap into Power Pros again. The Bigs and Power Pros represent the best that Take-Two has been able to offer during its time with the license.

#4: At least one team from last year's World Series will get back there this year.

Christian McLeod: Fiction.
The Giants caught lightning in a bottle last season, and the Rangers lost too many key components to their playoff run (in other words, Cliff Lee). In the AL, the Red Sox are going to be the sexy pick to win the pennant, especially with the additions of Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez. In the NL look for the Phillies pitching staff to dominate. I like the Phillies this year a lot -- my bet is on them hoisting some hardware come November.

Dustin Toms: Fiction. The Giants barely made the playoffs last season. Their offense was horrid. To be honest, I was shocked by the fact they even made it to the second round. Unless their offense improves, which it has on paper, they won't be returning next year. As for the Rangers, they're even worse off. Cliff is gone. That's all you need to know. Without Cliff they would not have made it to the Series. Besides, we all know that the Seattle Mariners will be holding up that trophy at season's end.

Caley Roark: Fiction. As a Phillies fan, it would be blasphemy to pick against them. Irrational too, as their pitching should dominate the NL. I like the Red Sox to take the AL. Actually, I don't think the Rangers or Giants will even make the playoffs.


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Member Comments
# 1 Knight165 @ 01/26/11 11:37 AM
On the fielding aspect of this shootout....I think two of you guys partake a bit too much before playing. I won't say which two...but nice job Caley!!!!(except for the Philly fan part!)

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 2 Knight165 @ 01/26/11 11:38 AM
Oh....forgot my smiley for my first post!
All in good fun...

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 3 HITTERSAURUS REX @ 01/26/11 11:53 AM
Listen, anytime one is able to talk SCEA MLB Show, MLB2Ksports & EA's MVP all within a paragraph of fact or fiction topics makes interesting headlines. Predict-a-ball says MLB the show has the edge at least up to 2013.
 
# 4 nemesis04 @ 01/26/11 11:55 AM
As far as head to head analog controls it will be interesting:

Pitching: It could be a toss up as each one has its own feel. People who like to watch the pitcher's full motion after their input will probably prefer 2k's approach more. Without knowing how much they tuned the pitching in 2k, the user input results were better represented with the Show's analog pitching.

Hitting: If nothing gets addressed in 2k's system the Show's hitting will be way ahead in this category.

Fielding: I am actually looking forward to this match up. Each company spent some time in this area of the game. Obviously player attributes, animations and user input are going to be key driving elements on how well the analog system responds.
 
# 5 HustlinOwl @ 01/26/11 12:01 PM
It still baffles me as to why people think 2K discovered the next great thing with analog controls? NCAA MVP had analog long before both 2k & The Show
 
# 6 jestep123 @ 01/26/11 12:42 PM
I may be wrong but arent this years pitching controls for the Show ripped from NCAA Baseball 2007?
 
# 7 HITTERSAURUS REX @ 01/26/11 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HustlinOwl
It still baffles me as to why people think 2K discovered the next great thing with analog controls? NCAA MVP had analog long before both 2k & The Show
Analog, Total Control Pitching:
You gotta give MLB2K, Kushgames credit though. They took risks for 2k8 by building a better mouse trap and introduced the pitching meter without you taking your eye off the plate or batter at time of delivery. But since the VC takeover and the removal of KG they now introduced a more simplified, user friendly system which now has come back to bite them in the you know where. Which is why they are now saying they revised the pitching usage.

Analog Swing Stick:
It's still up in the air as to what makes it a solid foundation for PS3, 360 systems. Everyone still uses PS2 & Org Xbox NCAA MVP 07 as the better mouse trap for batting up and swinging.
 
# 8 HITTERSAURUS REX @ 01/26/11 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jestep123
I may be wrong but arent this years pitching controls for the Show ripped from NCAA Baseball 2007?
MLB11's Analog Batting, Analog Pitching
I've been thinking along the same line due to the mechanics involved. I am heavily swaying that it's not a direct rip but SCEA has devised this as a better approach on building a better mouse trap by refining and tuning something that has been already has been praised in EA's NCAA 2007 as being successful.

MLB11's Analog Fielding:
I need way more info on which route they're taking.. overhead throwing meter display as in MVP 05, NCAA 07, MLB2K8 or are they still using their colorful circle meter with tweaks. (Hmm I need to revisit the PSnation gameplay vid or CD comments again as I just don't remember at the moment)
 
# 9 HITTERSAURUS REX @ 01/26/11 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HITTERSAURUS REX
MLB11's Analog Fielding:
I need way more info on which route they're taking.. overhead throwing meter display as in MVP 05, NCAA 07, MLB2K8 or are they still using their colorful circle meter with tweaks. (Hmm I need to revisit the PSnation gameplay vid or CD comments again as I just don't remember at the moment)
Here's community member NemesisOS hands on with MLB11's fielding controls.
Click> http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042046498
 
# 10 anchorsteamer @ 01/26/11 03:28 PM
I love how none of the editors would pick the Giants to go back to the World Series, especially the two editors who would pick the Phillies with a straight face. Maybe the Giants didn't drastically improve their offense, but did you miss the postseason? I don't remember the Phillies offense competing at all against Giants pitching--they couldn't even bring it to 7 games. Laughable.
 
# 11 tril @ 01/26/11 05:10 PM
IMO, 2ks analog controls and game presentation/ no cutaways/realtime is what made The Show 09 and 10 start to feel a little stale.
Sony had every reason to implement analog controls. This may make an above average title even better.

2k has shown steady improvement and it would be a shame to abandon the MLB 2k title once the
exclusive licens runs out
 
# 12 rudyjuly2 @ 01/26/11 07:54 PM
I agree with most of Nem's comments. I think 2K's gesture pitching where the input occurs before the delivery is more fun to do and watch. They do need to add a pitch accuracy slider so we don't pinpoint things.

The Show's analog batting controls sound good. I have no idea what changes 2K is doing. I just hope the Show lets us slow down the pitch speed to we can use it properly. I hope 2K tones down the opposite field power for their system and reduces the enormous gap between contact and power swings. Both systems are timing based (my preference) although the Show will require you to lean in the direction of the ball which sounds good. I think I might be able to handle that.

Analog fielding - have no clue. 2K's fielding was on auto pilot with no errors last year. Couldn't have been much worse but they have promised a complete fix this year. The Show has analog controls that sound very tough but can be adjusted via difficulty levels. Only time will tell with hand on time.

As for EA, I fully expect them to make a next gen MVP baseball game when the exclusive license gets dropped. I also expect 2K to keep making 2K baseball. They get killed on the PS3 but there are still a ton of baseball gamers on the 360.

As for the World Series I'll just say I wouldn't expect either team back solely because it's so hard, especially when you don't have massive payrolls.
 
# 13 devroid @ 01/26/11 09:35 PM
This is the most psyched I've been for a Brewer's season in my life, even though I think their defense has the potential to be historically abysmal.
I bought a ps3 almost entirely to play the Show. I loved it but spent so much time tweaking audio clips and settings that I'm still only barely past the All-star break in my season. I'm curious about 2k as I'm a huge NBA 2k junkie and their pitching controls sounded like a great idea. I know the smart thing would be to just wait till the price comes down a month after release and everybody has gotten the rosters tweaked to get one but I'm not that strong. I have a feeling MLB 2k is gonna bring it this year which will make the decision that much tougher.
 
# 14 stlstudios189 @ 01/26/11 10:45 PM
MLB 2k11 is going to be a blast
 
# 15 CPRoark @ 01/27/11 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anchorsteamer
I don't remember the Phillies offense competing at all against Giants pitching--they couldn't even bring it to 7 games. Laughable.
I give your Giants credit for winning the Series; it was well-earned. However, let's not go crazy. In San Fran's 4 wins against the Phils in the NLCS, the run differential was 16-11, with two of the games ending with a difference of 1 run. In the two games the Phillies won, they beat the Giants by a combined 7 runs (6-1, 4-2).

Again, credit goes to the Giants for getting the job done; but I hardly think it "laughable" to pick the Phillies--even if their offense struggles again, their pitching will most likely be much better.
 
# 16 anchorsteamer @ 01/27/11 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CPRoark
I give your Giants credit for winning the Series; it was well-earned. However, let's not go crazy. In San Fran's 4 wins against the Phils in the NLCS, the run differential was 16-11, with two of the games ending with a difference of 1 run. In the two games the Phillies won, they beat the Giants by a combined 7 runs (6-1, 4-2).

Again, credit goes to the Giants for getting the job done; but I hardly think it "laughable" to pick the Phillies--even if their offense struggles again, their pitching will most likely be much better.
I would agree with you about the pitching...if the Giants had not beaten Cliff Lee twice in the World Series. This being with an apparently terrible offense.

You really don't think the Giants could make the playoffs out of the NL West?
 
# 17 CPRoark @ 01/28/11 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anchorsteamer
I would agree with you about the pitching...if the Giants had not beaten Cliff Lee twice in the World Series. This being with an apparently terrible offense.

You really don't think the Giants could make the playoffs out of the NL West?
I certainly think the Giants have a shot out of the West, but I think it will be close again. I think the West is a competitive division, and really any team could vie for a spot. I just wouldn't be surprised if both the Giants and Rangers miss...not that it's a certainty.

Meanwhile in the East and Central, there are teams who you can probably write off today.

And I don't think the Giants offense is terrible, but I will say that they're success is mainly due to good pitching.
 
# 18 pay26 @ 01/28/11 05:06 PM
need more pictures and videos of the mlb the show 11
 
# 19 Money99 @ 01/31/11 04:09 PM
Concentrate on arcady baseball? What on earth is being smoked at the OS offices.
For starters, MLB2K equaled The Show as far as combined sales on next-gen consoles.
Secondly, MLB outsold The Bigs 3:1.
So why on earth would 2K stop making the better selling title in place for one that didn't?
Anyone? Anyone?

The only think 2K failed at is signing that horrible 'exclusive' agreement. If they weren't paying through the nose for that exclusivity, no doubt this franchise is making a profit.
And now that the series is finally going in the right direction and making huge strides, just before that giant anchor is taking off of them, they're going to stop making the game and therefore even bigger profits???
Am I missing something here?
 
# 20 mac8204 @ 02/02/11 10:24 PM
I think 2K should definitely be making some more Power Pros games. They are highly addicting and would bring in a lot more money.
 

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