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The Ultimate Baseball Game

As gamers we like to bemoan that fact that our choices in games are consistently dwindling, and for good reason. I would like to see more than one NFL title each year. College hoops fans are now completely out of luck. We have lost the wide range of quality arcade titles, like NHL Hitz or NBA Street. Essentially, your favorite sport now has one, maybe two, significant options each year to play.

Baseball is not really an exception. I say "not really" because our sim-style choices have consistently been two: MLB: The Show or MLB 2K. But dig a bit deeper, and baseball, more than most sports, has recently offered a wider range of choices for fans. Games like MLB Power Pros, The Bigs and even Out of the Park Baseball offer more options for baseball gameplay than those that exist in the football and basketball genres (probably combined).

What if, though, these choices start to dry up as well? Well, here is what I would want to keep from these games if given only one option -- one "ultimate game" if you will.

Last Game Standing


Graphics: For me, it is easy to see that MLB: The Show has been the prettiest looking baseball game, probably even the best looking sports game available. In my ultimate baseball simulation, I would keep the stunning stadiums and near-perfect lighting.

Gameplay: While probably a surprising choice, I would rip the gameplay physics and engine out of MLB Power Pros. Despite the cartoon-like atmosphere, I think the game has a great feel and delivers tons of hit variety and exciting moments. It would certainly need some speed tweaks and animation changes to suit a different look, but this game is solid on the field.

Franchise Mode: I hope the day comes when we see a console title that plays as well as The Show or Power Pros, but is backed with the options and information available in Out of the Park Baseball. Text-sim fanatics probably do not want to share the goods that exist in this stellar game, but imagine actually "playing" the games in your long-running OOTP franchise. I know that is not the point of text sims, but for guys like me who like both elements, this would be a dream come true.

Career Mode: If you did not play The Bigs 2, you probably missed out on one of the more exciting and original career modes available in sports gaming today. While Road to the Show is fun, for me it lacks a certain context that makes it that compelling. While a bit scripted and lacking some needed presentation elements, the career mode in The Bigs 2 had an interesting story that made playing around in the world somewhat believable. Add in some Mass Effect 2-style decision making, and this career mode would be lots of fun.

Pitching Mechanics: I hope that the pitching in MLB 2K10 is as improved as advertised, because despite some problems, I still like the rewarding feeling of really "snapping off" a wicked curveball using the analog stick. If the tweaks work like they are supposed to, this mechanic has the ability to become something special. Of course, not everyone likes this system, so we will leave an option to return to standard meter-based pitching.

Batting Mechanics: Compared to pitching, enjoyable motion-control batting is closer to becoming a reality. Wii Sports showed some indication of being able to handle motion controls accurately, and though it did not have baseball, Wii Sports Resort increased the effectiveness of swinging a virtual piece of equipment. The latest MLB: The Show trailer indicates that the development team is working on motion controls -- I am sure Microsoft's Natal will have something to add as well.

Presentation: I have to steal the presentation from MLB: The Show for my ultimate game. However, someday I would love to see localized broadcasters. Too bad we missed the chance to hear Harry Kalas, Harry Caray or Jack Buck in a game.

Extras: Though pretty flawed during its inception, MLB 2K's card-based system had promise. I would add an "Ultimate Team" mode, which would probably be similar to Baseball Boss. To me, the card-collecting element fits baseball more than any other sport.


This is just the beginning of what I would really want in an "ultimate" game. Network integration, online franchise, weekly recaps and playable historic teams would also make my list. If the baseball game market dwindles like the rest of them, what would you choose to add to your "ultimate" game?


Member Comments
# 1 rudyjuly2 @ 02/16/10 02:25 PM
One thing I would love to see added is customizable camera angles. I'd love to somehow replicate Star League Baseball's sideways camera (not sure if I'd like it anymore but I would like to try). I'd love to see a camera that would zoom out enough for me to actually track flyballs rather than just follow shadows or cursors.
 
# 2 Hitman3315 @ 02/16/10 02:50 PM
For my dream MLB game, I'd take everything from The Show and allow unlockables to transform the gameplay into The Bigs (moonshot homers, ridiculous defensive plays, power meters, super powers, etc.), and each of those elements could be turned on or off. I could play that one game forever.

I too would love to see more of a storyline added to RTTS, or at least some more cut scenes involving the player during some pivotal moments in his career. It'd help keep it moving.

Nice post.
 
# 3 Splitter77 @ 02/16/10 03:00 PM
the shows graphics and gameplay, with everything else from the high heat pc series.
 
# 4 nemesis04 @ 02/16/10 03:25 PM
If I could take a little bit from past and present it would be:

Graphics: Mlb The Show

Franchise Mode: All Star Baseball

Gameplay: Mlb The Show

AI: Mlb The Show

Pitching Mechanics:
-Meter: The Show
-Classic: The Show
-Analog: MVP NCAA

Hitting Mechanics:
Button Press: Mlb The Show
Analog: MVP NCAA

Throwing:
Button: MVP
Analog: MVP

Base running: Mlb The Show

Hit Variety: Hybrid cross between the Show and MVP

Presentation: MLB The Show

Sliders: Hybrid cross between MVP and High Heat

Statistical information: Inside Edge 2k series
 
# 5 Knight165 @ 02/16/10 03:43 PM
For me...allow everything to be edited.
EVERYTHING.
...and allow custom leagues and league structure.

That's all.

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 6 CPRoark @ 02/16/10 03:58 PM
Nemesis, great list.

I kept mine to next gen, just to keep it simple; but I dig the love you give to the MVP series. After The Show, it's my favorite baseball franchise. That game just played so well.
 
# 7 nemesis04 @ 02/16/10 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CPRoark
Nemesis, great list.

I kept mine to next gen, just to keep it simple; but I dig the love you give to the MVP series. After The Show, it's my favorite baseball franchise. That game just played so well.
Thanks!

I have enjoyed a lot of baseball games but one of things that impressed me with the MVP series (mostly MVP NCAA) was their strides towards innovation. Especially developing a system that was aimed at mimicking some of the specific steps of the actual function e.g. hitting, and pitching.
 
# 8 nemesis04 @ 02/16/10 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jim416
Dang Nem, make us a game. That's a good list.
LOL, that would be a feat!
 
# 9 bp4baseball @ 02/16/10 04:29 PM
Ultimate baseball game? ... MLB 16 the show
 
# 10 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/16/10 04:36 PM
Great list Nem.

Also just like Knight said, everything customizable... everything.

Even choices to replace the stadium ads via uploading photos to the game.
 
# 11 gilbostank @ 02/16/10 04:56 PM
Would I be correct in saying that I'm the only one who really really disliked the commentary and cutscenes in the show? I mean i love the gameplay but it gets old real quick. The commentary I just can't get into it. Doesn't seem to flow naturally. Although the play by play is good just repetative.
 
# 12 Stroehms @ 02/16/10 05:13 PM
Stole Nem's layout to this:

Stadiums: MLB the Show

Player Models: TBD

Player Faces: MLB the Show

Batting Stances: The Show + MVP

Pitching windups: MLB the Show

Atmosphere: MLB the Show

Franchise Mode: All Star Baseball (EXPANSION along with the in-depth color scheme in the Show 10! Just wow, right?)

Create-a-Ballpark: MVP NCAA 07 + MVP 05's upgrade system + MLB the Show 10's color scheme.

Gameplay: MLB the Show

AI: MLB the Show

Pitching Mechanics:
-Meter: MVP
-Analog: MVP NCAA (07 was awesome!)

Hitting Mechanics:
Button Press: MLB The Show
Analog: MVP NCAA 07

Throwing:
Button: MVP 03-05
Analog: MVP NCAA

Base running: MLB The Show L1 & R1

Hit Variety: MVP + MLB the Show

Presentation: MLB The Show

Announcers: Ability to chose Play by Play: Gary Thorne or Matt Vasgersian. Color: Kiper or Cambell.
 
# 13 zukes @ 02/16/10 05:33 PM
The Show with OOTP 10's sim engine and attention to eveything in baseball would be the ultimate. More easily attained as well. Just adding OOTP's engine to this game would be much easier than combining 4 or 5 games.

It could only improve The Show and I doubt that Markus and OOTP would lose much in sales as OOTP's followers are loyal, plus OOTP would still have advantages such as customization, relatively quick games and historical leagues.

What a great game that would be.......
 
# 14 dave724 @ 02/16/10 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zukes
The Show with OOTP 10's sim engine and attention to eveything in baseball would be the ultimate. More easily attained as well. Just adding OOTP's engine to this game would be much easier than combining 4 or 5 games.

It could only improve The Show and I doubt that Markus and OOTP would lose much in sales as OOTP's followers are loyal, plus OOTP would still have advantages such as customization, relatively quick games and historical leagues.

What a great game that would be.......

Yea Zukes, that would be amazing, bringing the best of both worlds in simulation and customization. I have been loyal to both games and would enjoy that type of merger if it is even possible. At least, it would be more of Markus giving ootp engine over, as OOTP is only text based. Not sure how it would work in the end, but any idea to bring the two leaders in the same genre today sounds like a winner for all involved.
 
# 15 CPRoark @ 02/16/10 06:25 PM
Ah! I forgot about the expansion mode in ASB. I loved that mode. I think my te was the Alasla Midnight. We played in the stadium with the short high right field. Definately would include that.
 
# 16 arsenal123gunners @ 02/16/10 06:37 PM
i think stat keeping should come from the High Heat Series. They had tons of odd stats to look at. For PC that is
 
# 17 Evlmnky33 @ 02/17/10 11:25 AM
Glad to see power pros get the love it deserves. That game still has me hooked even more than the show. I try to get people to play it but they look at the box and say no way! It's a shame.
 
# 18 Flaxseed Oil @ 02/17/10 12:06 PM
I basically want MVP 05 with MLB 2K7's player models /face graphics, and The Show's framerate and stadiums/collision detection.
 
# 19 Chai2112 @ 02/17/10 12:57 PM
The only thing I would want added to this game to make it perfect is what I posted as a new thread a couple months ago:

"What would really put this game over the top for me (other than the inclusion of many more stats, all accessible with the push of a few buttons) is if the game gave more personality to each player. As it is, the players all feel different just because of different stats and looks etc., but after a while, you don't really feel like you're fully controlling the real deal. How cool would it be if in the edit page, you can assign a personality type to a player. It could be based on 1 to 5 stars (1 star for calm, 5 stars for fiery). For example, for Manny Ramirez, Papelbon, Lackey or Chamberlain you would assign 5 stars; for J.D. Drew, you would assign 1 star. So then the way it could play out in the game is if Papelbon blows a 3 run lead, then in a cut scene in the dugout shortly thereafter, you could control how he reacts. Instead of getting out your rage in real life by throwing your (overly-priced) remote control across the room, you could take out your irritation in the game. Maybe some buttons could have Papelbon just kick the bench, some may make him knock over the water cooler, some can make him throw a temper tantrum and exit into the clubhouse. This would be so freakin cool. Another way this feature could play out is if a batter gets hit. Obviously there should be a way to control if he wants to charge the mound. But there should be consequences so that you don't do it everytime you get beaned. There should be appropriate ejections, suspensions, possible injuries, and fines. But it should only be able to be committed by players who have 3 stars and up for their personality attribute. And with some buttons, there should be different levels of charging the mound. Obviously there shouldnt be fighting like hockey, but just similar to what they have now, just with more control and repercussions. Also, it should have an effect on the game. For example, if your team is just not hitting at all in the game, maybe charging the mound will spark some energy in the offense or take away some confidence in the opposing pitcher. Anyways, I really hope that they can institute these features in a future year. It would really make this game all the more addictive. Thoughts?"
 
# 20 antifanboy @ 02/17/10 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight165
For me...allow everything to be edited.
EVERYTHING.
...and allow custom leagues and league structure.

That's all.

M.K.
Knight165
u are my 'knight' in shining armor


atleast start with coaches/managers...i'd bring back Bobby V
 

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