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NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

01:05 PM - October 3, 2014 by Steve_OS

Da_Czar has checked in with this new NBA 2K15 video, featuring the evolution of the freelance offense, part 3.

If you missed them, here is part 1 and here is part 2.

Lyrics and beats by @SageInfinite and @_RobDavis, respectively.

Watch the video and post your thoughts.

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# 41 lakers24 @ 10/03/14 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedream2k13


	Cleveland? They don't deserve a special offense they have a new foreign coach and unknown system . I k ow they are the new "it" team but smh. Let's see Memphis Lionel hollins offense implemented with the nets.

Funny that you say that considering he wants to run Jerry Sloan's Flex for D-Will

# 42 BezO @ 10/03/14 03:42 PM

My man!

As a Knick fan, this is a much appreciated addition. I was wondering what offense I was going to use.

# 43 mgrand15 @ 10/03/14 04:07 PM

So the freelance offenses include:

3 out 2 in
4 out 1 in
Triangle
Pace and Space
Swing Motion
80s offense
2-3 zone offense

Are the 3-2 and 4-1 sets going to be as deep/complex as the Triangle, Swing Motion and Pace and Space? I hope in the future we can run offenses like Horns, Flex, and Corner.

Also, will the AI's freelance offense be set regardless of personnel? Thinking of my team, the Nets, we're most likely going to be running 3-2 (actually flex/horns stuff) with our starting lineup. But when are 2nd unit comes in, particularly Teletovic, he's way too good of a shooter to be playing in a 3 out 2 in offense. He needs to be on the perimeter. Anyway that the game will reflect this? Definitely a little complicated but last year, AK47 would take over the PF role on offense and Teletovic would take over the SF role. This sort of "problem" may exist with teams like the Knicks (Amare vs. Barnani), GSW (Lee vs Green), Clippers (Jordan vs Hawes), etc.

I'm LOVING the fact that there's a 2-3 zone freelance. Zones were partially really effective because the offense wouldn't be in the right spots or make the right reads. There's a reason zones are rarely used in the NBA. I hope this year you can make people pay if you move the ball, switch sides, and play patiently.

# 44 Da_Czar @ 10/03/14 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eko718


	Czar, question. What is the freelance offense that most resembles Euroleague offenses? And also, I asked this in another thread... It seems that the Cavs this year are running a variation of the Princeton offense. Any suggestions on what might be closest to that?

I gave all the EuorLeague teams the pace and space. For the Cavs I scouted their coach last season in Euorleague. I use that info to fill out the Euroleague playbook and also gave some of those plays to the cavs. We also snatched what was useful from whatever they happened to run in summer league.

The difficult thing about expanding gamers paradigm's regarding freelance offense is that it becomes apparent that there should be many many more.

But the teams playbooks are tighter than they have ever been. For next gen I deleted every play in the playbooks and re-scouted from scratch every team in the game and only included those plays I actually viewed a team running with the exception of the cutter plays because those are not universal per team. So some of those are generic in the sense that I took them from another team.

So every play in the playbooks was written from scratch this year in next gen. The downside is there isn't a ton of depth in the old school playbooks because that was a hell of a task to take on considering all the time I put into the freelance offense's. But I didn't want to wonder what was working and what was not working, or what was actually scouted vs what was madeup, so we started with a clean slate.

The play fidelity this year easily trumps anything that was done previously. These were built to take advantage of a revamped play engine and the new motion system.

Each play can have up to 1,000 editable points. A lot of that can be movement information etc. But there are more editable points in a single play in 2K15 than there was in 10 combined plays in 2k14 and prior.

It's hard to quantify just how much better 2k15 is from 2k14 play wise but the video's you can see should clearly show you an improvement. If you still have 2k14 play vs the AI and then watch the released videos. To a trained eye which I know yall possess it shouldn't even be close as far as AI execution.

Again all of this is in comparison with 2k14. We have a long way to go in comparison with reality.

So if your into play's and execution etc. I worked extremely hard so that you wouldn't have to worry about what works and what doesn't just load that **** up and start playing. Obviously there may be an issue here on there but for the most part the plays breaking should be a non issue.

Outside of them just not being effective because of good defense or getting a shot you didn't want to take etc.

I wish marketing would have given game-play a bit more shine but it is what it is.

# 45 stillfeelme @ 10/03/14 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedream2k13


	Cleveland? They don't deserve a special offense they have a new foreign coach and unknown system . I k ow they are the new "it" team but smh. Let's see Memphis Lionel hollins offense implemented with the nets.

Who says it is unknown just say it is unknown to you? They/Czar might not even have every single detail of Hollins system implemented Hollins was just hired in July. Do you know that VC actually scouted Euroleague teams, maybe they scouted uh the Euroleague champion head coach. there is a chance they scouted Cleveland's team in summer league team. He uses a motion offense with some other stuff sprinkled in that other coaches use in the NBA. So I expect that a motion offense was going to be one of the ones and perhaps the next one but it doesn't only apply to Cleveland.

Also Czar wasn't taken requests for what is next like a jukebox or something. Read this carefully I said I think Motion offense will be next not what I think he should do next. He wasn't out here asking for requests or something like a DJ.

# 46 eko718 @ 10/03/14 04:26 PM

Thanks for that detail Czar. You put some serious work in and I can already tell just from video how much more authentic 2K15 looks and will feel.

# 47 LorenzoDC @ 10/03/14 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	I gave all the EuorLeague teams the pace and space. For the Cavs I scouted their coach last season in Euorleague. I use that info to fill out the Euroleague playbook and also gave some of those plays to the cavs. We also snatched what was useful from whatever they happened to run in summer league. The difficult thing about expanding gamers paradigm's regarding freelance offense is that it becomes apparent that there should be many many more. But the teams playbooks are tighter than they have ever been. For next gen I deleted every play in the playbooks and re-scouted from scratch every team in the game and only included those plays I actually viewed a team running with the exception of the cutter plays because those are not universal per team. So some of those are generic in the sense that I took them from another team. So every play in the playbooks was written from scratch this year in next gen. The downside is there isn't a ton of depth in the old school playbooks because that was a hell of a task to take on considering all the time I put into the freelance offense's. But I didn't want to wonder what was working and what was not working, or what was actually scouted vs what was madeup, so we started with a clean slate. The play fidelity this year easily trumps anything that was done previously. These were built to take advantage of a revamped play engine and the new motion system. Each play can have up to 1,000 editable points. A lot of that can be movement information etc. But there are more editable points in a single play in 2K15 than there was in 10 combined plays in 2k14 and prior. It's hard to quantify just how much better 2k15 is from 2k14 play wise but the video's you can see should clearly show you an improvement. If you still have 2k14 play vs the AI and then watch the released videos. To a trained eye which I know yall possess it shouldn't even be close as far as AI execution. Again all of this is in comparison with 2k14. We have a long way to go in comparison with reality. So if your into play's and execution etc. I worked extremely hard so that you wouldn't have to worry about what works and what doesn't just load that up and start playing. Obviously there may be an issue here on there but for the most part the plays breaking should be a non issue. Outside of them just not being effective because of good defense or getting a shot you didn't want to take etc. I wish marketing would have given game-play a bit more shine but it is what it is.

# 48 Fidel1978 @ 10/03/14 04:32 PM

Sorry but my english is not very good. Can some one explain me how can I make Jordan play the triangle ofense? ... We will be able to chose the triangle option in the game? I didn�t understand very well what was said. Thank you very much! (forgive my possible mistakes)

# 49 stillfeelme @ 10/03/14 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fidel1978


	Sorry but my english is not very good. Can some one explain me how can I make Jordan play the triangle ofense? ... We will be able to chose the triangle option in the game? I didn�t understand very well what was said. Thank you very much! (forgive my possible mistakes)

The freelance option will run triangle for default for the Bulls teams that have Jordan when not running plays. Then they will have triangle plays to get Jordan more plays.

# 50 FloorGeneral @ 10/03/14 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	But the teams playbooks are tighter than they have ever been. For next gen I deleted every play in the playbooks and re-scouted from scratch every team in the game and only included those plays I actually viewed a team running with the exception of the cutter plays because those are not universal per team. So some of those are generic in the sense that I took them from another team. So every play in the playbooks was written from scratch this year in next gen. The play fidelity this year easily trumps anything that was done previously. These were built to take advantage of a revamped play engine and the new motion system. Each play can have up to 1,000 editable points. A lot of that can be movement information etc. But there are more editable points in a single play in 2K15 than there was in 10 combined plays in 2k14 and prior.

# 51 godylla @ 10/03/14 04:39 PM

# 52 2_headedmonster @ 10/03/14 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	I gave all the EuorLeague teams the pace and space. For the Cavs I scouted their coach last season in Euorleague. I use that info to fill out the Euroleague playbook and also gave some of those plays to the cavs. We also snatched what was useful from whatever they happened to run in summer league. The difficult thing about expanding gamers paradigm's regarding freelance offense is that it becomes apparent that there should be many many more. But the teams playbooks are tighter than they have ever been. For next gen I deleted every play in the playbooks and re-scouted from scratch every team in the game and only included those plays I actually viewed a team running with the exception of the cutter plays because those are not universal per team. So some of those are generic in the sense that I took them from another team. So every play in the playbooks was written from scratch this year in next gen. The downside is there isn't a ton of depth in the old school playbooks because that was a hell of a task to take on considering all the time I put into the freelance offense's. But I didn't want to wonder what was working and what was not working, or what was actually scouted vs what was madeup, so we started with a clean slate. The play fidelity this year easily trumps anything that was done previously. These were built to take advantage of a revamped play engine and the new motion system. Each play can have up to 1,000 editable points. A lot of that can be movement information etc. But there are more editable points in a single play in 2K15 than there was in 10 combined plays in 2k14 and prior. It's hard to quantify just how much better 2k15 is from 2k14 play wise but the video's you can see should clearly show you an improvement. If you still have 2k14 play vs the AI and then watch the released videos. To a trained eye which I know yall possess it shouldn't even be close as far as AI execution. Again all of this is in comparison with 2k14. We have a long way to go in comparison with reality. So if your into play's and execution etc. I worked extremely hard so that you wouldn't have to worry about what works and what doesn't just load that **** up and start playing. Obviously there may be an issue here on there but for the most part the plays breaking should be a non issue. Outside of them just not being effective because of good defense or getting a shot you didn't want to take etc. I wish marketing would have given game-play a bit more shine but it is what it is.

# 53 crusaderhoops10 @ 10/03/14 04:45 PM

Wow, this is some amazing stuff. Game has really been taken to a new level. I've always wondered what it'd be like if OKC ran the triangle and now really feel like I can replicate that in the game.

Also excited to see what the 80's freelance offenses look like. I'm hoping it's just a ton of floppy and post ups and the players get into it really quickly.

# 54 ch46647 @ 10/03/14 04:52 PM

Does the AI have the intelligence to run actual plays? Or do they just use their freelance offense..

Also, it sounds great that you ripped out every play and re-wrote them all. Does this mean the plays will work better this year? Last year was my first year of 2K and i noticed many of the plays seemed broken.

# 55 vannwolfhawk @ 10/03/14 04:58 PM

Czar, wow!

So you eliminated all old plays or did you just input some of them into new system and gave them more options or better continuity? From your scouting did certain teams (let's use PNR as an example) get let's say more side pnr actions as opposed to top of key pnr's because that's what team likes to do rather than they run high pnr per game so you just gave them a bunch of pnr' from all over?

Will we see less plays this year as opposed to last few years? In last few years I know there we're plays that we're virtually the same play with different names in 1 teams play book. So, a team would have 3 pnr plays at top of key with really no difference in them except different players in specific spots.

I loved in 1 of the videos I saw a screen the screener action into pnr. I know this was in with a few sets in previous versions but the execution seemed 1000x better and more realistic by ai!

Did all 30 teams get the same love? How many plays per team do we get? Still 50? Also, you said not a whole lot of love to classic teams play books? Does this mean you didn't have time to scout them like you would like or just didn't get to them all together? I have said in past but classic play books needed a ton of work as each team just had 10-18 plays with most being ISO plays and nothing like what they used to run irl. Is this something you will be looking to dive deeper into in the future?

# 56 Taer @ 10/03/14 05:34 PM

Thanks Da_Czar... I am thrilled that there are 7 different types of free-lance offenses.

Is the "80's free-lance" Showtime or BadBoy freelance? If it is Showtime, I will be trying that one out on MyLeague and MyGM.

I really look forward to seeing this aspect evolve and grow. Great concept and great execution from what I see so far.

Thanks again for your long hours, hard work, dedication and passion.

# 57 GHUFF @ 10/03/14 06:09 PM

In the words of Darth Vader....THE CIRCLE IS NOW COMPLETE!!

# 58 Ghostf4cekhila1234 @ 10/03/14 06:32 PM

This is amazing

# 59 Scvllp @ 10/03/14 06:35 PM

Czar you the real MVP! The wait for the game is killng me.

# 60 Fidel1978 @ 10/03/14 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stillfeelme


	The freelance option will run triangle for default for the Bulls teams that have Jordan when not running plays. Then they will have triangle plays to get Jordan more plays.

Thanks! Now I get it.

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