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The Quarterback position is probably the most over-analyzed and argument inducing position in the history of sports. Yet, it's almost universally agreed upon that it's the most important position in athletics. Simply put, if you don't have a good QB, you can't win a Super Bowl. You may even be able to stretch that even further by saying you have to have a great QB to win a Super Bowl.

The likes of the Chiefs, Vikings, and the Bears have all had solid teams in the recent past without having a great QB to throw them over the edge. It isn't a coincidence that only one time in the last five years have we had a Super Bowl without one of Manning, Brady, or Rodgers. A good QB is the key to unlocking the door to that next level for any hopeful franchise. So take a look at the top ten rated QB's in Madden 15, and see where your team's Super Bowl prospects lay:

1. Peyton Manning (98 OVR): 99 AWR, 99 SA, 96 MTA, 88 DTA, 98 PA
2. Aaron Rodgers (98 OVR): 80 SPD, 93 AWR, STA 93, TOTR 88
3. Drew Brees (96 OVR): 98 AWR, 97 STA, 91 MTA
4. Russell Wilson (93 OVR): 86 SPD, 84 AWR, 91 PA
5. Tom Brady (93 OVR): 99 AWR, 94 STA, 93 TP
6. Phillip Rivers (92 OVR): 91 AWR, STA 93, 95 PA
7. Tony Romo (91 OVR): 89 AWR, STA 90, PA 90
8. Ben Roethlisberger (90 OVR): 93 AWR, 89 STA, 94 TOTR
9. Cam Newton (89 OVR): 86 SPD, 97 TP, TOTR 95
10. Colin Kaepernick (89 OVR): 88 SPD, AWR 75, TP 95

Most Overrated: Tony Romo (91)
Most Underrated: Andrew Luck (87 OVR)

What QB fits your style of play best in Madden NFL?

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# 61 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rojohpp




Plus the infamous spy gate and the stolen playbooks. To me Brady is the overrated not Romo.
Please provide a link to anything about the Patriots stealing playbooks. Mike Pettine made an allegation that Brady told him at Welker's wedding. He claims Nick Saban gave Belichick a copy, A rumor which everyone else involved denies including Rex Ryan who has no reason to defend the Patriots.
 
# 62 Dr Death @ 08/26/14 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
Absolutely. I'll go a step farther: SF would have hoisted a Lombardi Trophy last year if they had either one of these qbs instead of Kaep.
Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me. Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???

He's 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
 
# 63 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Death
Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me. Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???

He's 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.
 
# 64 Dr Death @ 08/26/14 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheba2011
I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.
I still disagree though. Last year Kaep was without his personal favorite WR most of the year as Michael Crabtree was injured. That affected the entire passing game for the 49ers until Crabtree came back. My feeling is that if Rivers/Romo were on SF last year, they wouldn't have even made the play-offs. JMHO.
 
# 65 coogrfan @ 08/26/14 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Death
Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me.

Umm...because SF's passing game was their only real weakness last year, and both Romo and Rivers are significantly better qb's than Kaep?


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Originally Posted by Dr Death
Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???




source:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RomoTo00

So much for Romo not being "clutch".




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Originally Posted by Dr Death
(Rivers is) 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
Come on, you're better than this. Take a minute and go read post #49 of this thread.
 
# 66 coogrfan @ 08/26/14 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheba2011
I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.

Exactly. Put Kaep on the miserable Cowboy teams of the last 3 seasons and he's Quincy Carter 2.0.
 
# 67 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
Absolutely. I'll go a step farther: SF would have hoisted a Lombardi Trophy last year if they had either one of these qbs instead of Kaep.
Despite the fact that Rivers and Romo have both been on very good teams and not gotten it done? Ok.
 
# 68 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Death
I still disagree though. Last year Kaep was without his personal favorite WR most of the year as Michael Crabtree was injured. That affected the entire passing game for the 49ers until Crabtree came back. My feeling is that if Rivers/Romo were on SF last year, they wouldn't have even made the play-offs. JMHO.
That is your opinion and your entitled to it. I just don't see how you can possibly think they wouldn't make the playoffs with a QB who can throw 4000+ yards, pass for 30+ TD's and have a completion percentage over 60%. With one of these guys they might have had a chance to beat Seattle in the playoffs.
 
# 69 coogrfan @ 08/26/14 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
Despite the fact that Rivers and Romo have both been on very good teams and not gotten it done? Ok.


Neither has played on a team that was even remotely as talent laden (or as well coached) as the 2011-13 Niners.
 
# 70 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
Neither has played on a team that was even remotely as talent laden as the 2011-13 Niners.
In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?
 
# 71 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?
I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.
 
# 72 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheba2011
I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.
13 win teams are poorly coached?

Also I didn't leave it out, it was an edit.
 
# 73 coogrfan @ 08/26/14 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?


I can't speak to the '09 Chargers, but I can state categorically that neither of the Dallas teams you mentioned could hold a candle to the Harbaugh era Niners.


2007 Dallas was by far the best team Romo has played on, but it was also an aging team (especially on the OL). They lost in the divisional round to the Giants because they committed 11 penalties to NY's 3, and because of several critical drops that cost them scoring opportunities.


The 2009 Boys did manage to win a playoff game (the only playoff win for this one proud franchise since the end of the 96 season), but then went on to get the hell kicked out of them 34-3 by the Vikings on the road: 6 (!) sacks allowed, -3 in turnovers. The Vikings DL just completely overwhelmed the Boys un-athletic OL, and that was all she wrote.
 
# 74 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
13 win teams are poorly coached?

Also I didn't leave it out, it was an edit.
Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini both had 10 win seasons, neither were good head coaches. Regular season wins don't mean a whole lot in the NFL, teams sometimes play weak schedules or in weak divisions where it is very easy to pick up wins. They are always exposed in the playoffs though like the Cowboys and Chargers were those years. Wade Phillips isn't even close to Harbaugh's level.
 
# 75 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
I can't speak to the '09 Chargers, but I can state categorically that neither of the Dallas teams you mentioned could hold a candle to the Harbaugh era Niners.


2007 Dallas was by far the best team Romo has played on, but it was also an aging team (especially on the OL). They lost in the divisional round to the Giants because they committed 11 penalties to NY's 3, and because of several critical drops that cost them scoring opportunities.


The 2009 Boys did manage to win a playoff game (the only playoff win for this one proud franchise since the end of the 96 season), but then went on to get the hell kicked out of them 34-3 by the Vikings on the road: 6 (!) sacks allowed, -3 in turnovers. The Vikings DL just completely overwhelmed the Boys un-athletic OL, and that was all she wrote.
The 2007 Cowboys had 4 guys over the age of 30 start a significant number of games. One of them was Terrell Owens who had a career year and they lost to a Giants team they had already beaten twice.
 
# 76 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheba2011
Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini both had 10 win seasons, neither were good head coaches. Regular season wins don't mean a whole lot in the NFL, teams sometimes play weak schedules or in weak divisions where it is very easy to pick up wins. They are always exposed in the playoffs though like the Cowboys and Chargers were those years. Wade Phillips isn't even close to Harbaugh's level.
10 isn't 13, the NFC east's worst team in 2007 was 8-8, Brian Billick isn't either and he won a super bowl, Jim Caldwell took the colts to the super bowl as well.
 
# 77 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
10 isn't 13, the NFC east's worst team in 2007 was 8-8, Brian Billick isn't either and he won a super bowl, Jim Caldwell took the colts to the super bowl as well.
Brad Childress in 2009 won 14 games (14 is not 13), he is not a good coach. Brian Billick was a very good coach. Peyton Manning took the Colts to the Super Bowl. None of these QB's we are talking about are anything close to Peyton Manning's skill level.
 
# 78 bc21045 @ 08/26/14 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheba2011
Brad Childress in 2009 won 14 games (14 is not 13), he is not a good coach. Brian Billick was a very good coach. Peyton Manning took the Colts to the Super Bowl. None of these QB's we are talking about are anything close to Peyton Manning's skill level.
What is it that makes Brian Billick a very good coach and Wade Phillips not? Is Lovie Smith also a much better coach than Wade? What about Bill Callahan? Ken Whisenhunt? Help me find the line between a coach who can get to the super bowl just because of the talent and a coach who's so bad that his team has no shot.
 
# 79 Sheba2011 @ 08/26/14 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bc21045
What is it that makes Brian Billick a very good coach and Wade Phillips not? Is Lovie Smith also a much better coach than Wade? What about Bill Callahan? Ken Whisenhunt? Help me find the line between a coach who can get to the super bowl just because of the talent and a coach who's so bad that his team has no shot.
Like anything else in the NFL its all subjective. In your mind Wade Phillips was a good coach, in my mind he was not. Really no point continuing this argument as we both disagree.
 
# 80 Dr Death @ 08/26/14 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
Umm...because SF's passing game was their only real weakness last year, and both Romo and Rivers are significantly better qb's than Kaep?

So much for Romo not being "clutch".
Alright, Coogrfan... let me explain some things here that may help you to understand how I feel and why I feel the way that I feel. Of course you are welcomed to disagree. I know you too well from the NCAA board to get mad at you, just letting you know WHY I feel the way I feel.

You list 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives, and though I'm sure you know the difference, for anyone who doesn't, a 4th quarter comeback is when a team, say Dallas, is trailing in the 4th quarter by any amount of points - can be 20-21 or 14-35 or anything, as long as they are losing - and the QB of, say Dallas, leads his team to a win.

A game-winning drive is when the score is tied, say 17-17, and the QB leads them to a win. Since they were tied, the QB didn't have to bring them from behind, so he gets credit for a game-winning drive. Now that we have that sorted out...

Romo has been in the league since 2004, same as Eli Manning and Big Ben... Romo has 20 4th quarter comebacks - or - 2 per year. Ben has 23 and Eli has 25. Now, since you are a Cougar fan you may also be a Cowboy fan and actually be able to answer this, but as a general question to football fans who don't watch the Cowboys every week, can anybody name me one great 4th quarter comeback led by Romo?

I rather doubt it. Yet we all can name you the times he has totally collapsed in the 4th quarter and particularly in the play-offs.

Now let's look at Eli... I can name two amazing 4th quarter comebacks just off the top of my head, because both were in the Super Bowl and both were against the Patriots. He's also done it in the play-offs as well!!! What does this tell me about Eli? That he's clutch when all the chips are on the table and that he doesn't panic.

Let's face it, some guys want the ball in that situation - trailing with the game on the line - and some don't. Eli does. And he's proven that. Twice in Super Bowls alone. And one of those years - 2007 - he led a 4th quarter comeback in Dallas against Romo. In the play-offs!!!

In the game winning drives department, Romo has 23, so 2.3 per year. Big Ben has 32 and Eli has 30. I'm just giving you a fair comparison of guys who have been in the league the same amount of time.

When I think of clutch QB's in NFL history I think of guys like Kenny Stabler, Roger Staubach, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and John Elway. Those are some of the best, in-the-clutch QB's ever! I never think of Romo in that regard. I do think of Eli in that regard because in the play-offs and Super Bowls he's done it - time and time again! Nobody can take that from him.

For you to claim that Romo is "clutch" with an average of 2 comebacks per season and nobody outside of a die-hard Cowboy fan can think of one amazing 4th quarter moment, that says a lot. Typically when people think of Romo in the 4th period, they think of failure. Why is that? Because his track record backs it up, particularly when in the play-offs!

You can disagree, but your own numbers back it up.

There's another side to QB's that don't show up in the stats... and that is the ability to convert 3rd downs and help his defense out. I didn't watch every play by the Chargers, Cowboys or 49ers last season, but I'd be willing to bet that Kaepernick did more to help his D out than Rivers/Romo combined.

Just something for you to think about.
 


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