Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

[bc21045]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

Neither has played on a team that was even remotely as talent laden as the 2011-13 Niners.

In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?

I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.

[bc21045]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.

13 win teams are poorly coached?

Also I didn't leave it out, it was an edit.

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?

I can't speak to the '09 Chargers, but I can state categorically that neither of the Dallas teams you mentioned could hold a candle to the Harbaugh era Niners.


2007 Dallas was by far the best team Romo has played on, but it was also an aging team (especially on the OL). They lost in the divisional round to the Giants because they committed 11 penalties to NY's 3, and because of several critical drops that cost them scoring opportunities.


The 2009 Boys did manage to win a playoff game (the only playoff win for this one proud franchise since the end of the 96 season), but then went on to get the hell kicked out of them 34-3 by the Vikings on the road: 6 (!) sacks allowed, -3 in turnovers. The Vikings DL just completely overwhelmed the Boys un-athletic OL, and that was all she wrote.

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

13 win teams are poorly coached? Also I didn't leave it out, it was an edit.

Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini both had 10 win seasons, neither were good head coaches. Regular season wins don't mean a whole lot in the NFL, teams sometimes play weak schedules or in weak divisions where it is very easy to pick up wins. They are always exposed in the playoffs though like the Cowboys and Chargers were those years. Wade Phillips isn't even close to Harbaugh's level.

[bc21045]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

I can't speak to the '09 Chargers, but I can state categorically that neither of the Dallas teams you mentioned could hold a candle to the Harbaugh era Niners. 2007 Dallas was by far the best team Romo has played on, but it was also an aging team (especially on the OL). They lost in the divisional round to the Giants because they committed 11 penalties to NY's 3, and because of several critical drops that cost them scoring opportunities. The 2009 Boys did manage to win a playoff game (the only playoff win for this one proud franchise since the end of the 96 season), but then went on to get the hell kicked out of them 34-3 by the Vikings on the road: 6 (!) sacks allowed, -3 in turnovers. The Vikings DL just completely overwhelmed the Boys un-athletic OL, and that was all she wrote.

The 2007 Cowboys had 4 guys over the age of 30 start a significant number of games. One of them was Terrell Owens who had a career year and they lost to a Giants team they had already beaten twice.

[bc21045]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini both had 10 win seasons, neither were good head coaches. Regular season wins don't mean a whole lot in the NFL, teams sometimes play weak schedules or in weak divisions where it is very easy to pick up wins. They are always exposed in the playoffs though like the Cowboys and Chargers were those years. Wade Phillips isn't even close to Harbaugh's level.

10 isn't 13, the NFC east's worst team in 2007 was 8-8, Brian Billick isn't either and he won a super bowl, Jim Caldwell took the colts to the super bowl as well.

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

10 isn't 13, the NFC east's worst team in 2007 was 8-8, Brian Billick isn't either and he won a super bowl, Jim Caldwell took the colts to the super bowl as well.

Brad Childress in 2009 won 14 games (14 is not 13), he is not a good coach. Brian Billick was a very good coach. Peyton Manning took the Colts to the Super Bowl. None of these QB's we are talking about are anything close to Peyton Manning's skill level.