im not really sure he lost it. i just dont think he had anywhere near the same kill/domination mentaility in miami like cleveland. he had other options in wade/bosh where as in cleveland, he was dominating games or they got the loss
And now he will have to do that again. Make no mistake. This is not about titles (plural) anymore for Lebron. He has made a huge pivot about his "Legacy". If he can deliver just one title to the city of Cleveland he will forever be a legend there.
Forever.
But he has a huge task on his hands. He knows it himself:
I’m not promising a championship. I know how hard that is to deliver. We’re not ready right now. No way. Of course, I want to win next year, but I’m realistic. It will be a long process, much longer than it was in 2010. My patience will get tested. I know that. I’m going into a situation with a young team and a new coach. I will be the old head. But I get a thrill out of bringing a group together and helping them reach a place they didn’t know they could go. I see myself as a mentor now and I’m excited to lead some of these talented young guys. I think I can help Kyrie Irving become one of the best point guards in our league. I think I can help elevate Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters. And I can’t wait to reunite with Anderson Varejao, one of my favorite teammates.
So for the last time as die hard life long Heat fan...Good luck Lebron. We loved you while your wore our jersey, we love you for the 2 titles you were so critical in helping bring our team...but now your not here and we want nothing more than to beat you. Good luck in Cleveland, I am glad your able to "go home" and I respect that decision. It was a man's decision. Your family always comes first. It takes a man to walk away from 4 straight title appearances to try and go home and just bring one to his hometown.
As a long time observer of the NBA he has a huge challenge here. It is all hopes and dreams right now. No proven battle tested players. That includes Kyrie Irving, and that includes a Kevin Love (can he really defend?) if they are able to land him. Wiggins looks like he can be special, but we all know how rookies can either be boom or bust. It happens so often. He will never, ever have another wing man like he did with Wade those last 4 years. And a big like Bosh who created that space and defended the pick and roll like a stud.
Ever.
The only thing that is really a let down for us Heat fans is we always knew Lebron was not going to retire here. We knew that from day one. But we always thought we would enjoy his game for 5-6 years easy. This was a little abrupt. And to leave after we went down 4-1.....feels kinda small and kinda like I quit and don't believe in my teammates anymore. It just does. I know he flat out denies that in his fantastic letter. But just saying...
But again. If he really wants to "go home" it is what it is.
And now he will have to do that again. Make no mistake. This is not about titles (plural) anymore for Lebron. He has made a huge pivot about his "Legacy". If he can deliver just one title to the city of Cleveland he will forever be a legend there.
Forever.
But he has a huge task on his hands. He knows it himself:
I’m not promising a championship. I know how hard that is to deliver. We’re not ready right now. No way. Of course, I want to win next year, but I’m realistic. It will be a long process, much longer than it was in 2010. My patience will get tested. I know that. I’m going into a situation with a young team and a new coach. I will be the old head. But I get a thrill out of bringing a group together and helping them reach a place they didn’t know they could go. I see myself as a mentor now and I’m excited to lead some of these talented young guys. I think I can help Kyrie Irving become one of the best point guards in our league. I think I can help elevate Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters. And I can’t wait to reunite with Anderson Varejao, one of my favorite teammates.
So for the last time as die hard life long Heat fan...Good luck Lebron. We loved you while your wore our jersey, we love you for the 2 titles you were so critical in helping bring our team...but now your not here and we want nothing more than to beat you. Good luck in Cleveland, I am glad your able to "go home" and I respect that decision. It was a man's decision. Your family always comes first. It takes a man to walk away from 4 straight title appearances to try and go home and just bring one to his hometown.
As a long time observer of the NBA he has a huge challenge here. It is all hopes and dreams right now. No proven battle tested players. That includes Kyrie Irving, and that includes a Kevin Love (can he really defend?) if they are able to land him. Wiggins looks like he can be special, but we all know how rookies can either be boom or bust. It happens so often. He will never, ever have another wing man like he did with Wade those last 4 years. And a big like Bosh who created that space and defended the pick and roll like a stud.
Ever.
The only thing that is really a let down for us Heat fans is we always knew Lebron was not going to retire here. We knew that from day one. But we always thought we would enjoy his game for 5-6 years easy. This was a little abrupt. And to leave after we went down 4-1.....feels kinda small and kinda like I quit and don't believe in my teammates anymore. It just does. I know he flat out denies that in his fantastic letter. But just saying...
But again. If he really wants to "go home" it is what it is.
Good luck (well not really).
Kyrie isnt what Wade was when LBJ first joined him, but Kyrie's game will mesh better because of his ability to shoot, and we already know how solid Kyrie is at getting to the basket. Kyrie has no where but to go up, like a lot of our young guys do. Andy can defend the pick and roll very well, and his offense has improved. If we get Love, he can do what Bosh did offensively, but with better rebounding, as well as play inside. Right now, we have the talent to make at least some noise, lack of experience for the young guys are concerns. The talent is solid though and if we get Love, a trio of LBJ, Love, and Kyrie could be as good or maybe better than the trio in MIA. Wiggins is important as well, he let LBJ not have to play major minutes and can grow into his role, a lot like Leonard in San Antonio.
Reeks of Dallas and Boston. When a team wins a championship you do what you have to, to keep the team together or build upon it, don't just start letting vital pieces go. It seems to always end in disaster, which it did for both teams.
Kyrie isnt what Wade was when LBJ first joined him, but Kyrie's game will mesh better because of his ability to shoot, and we already know how solid Kyrie is at getting to the basket. Kyrie has no where but to go up, like a lot of our young guys do. Andy can defend the pick and roll very well, and his offense has improved. If we get Love, he can do what Bosh did offensively, but with better rebounding, as well as play inside. Right now, we have the talent to make at least some noise, lack of experience for the young guys are concerns. The talent is solid though and if we get Love, a trio of LBJ, Love, and Kyrie could be as good or maybe better than the trio in MIA. Wiggins is important as well, he let LBJ not have to play major minutes and can grow into his role, a lot like Leonard in San Antonio.
I highly doubt your getting Love without Wiggins involved. This will end up being a game of chicken. Kyrie has yet to finish an NBA season. He must stay healthy. Something he has not been able to do now for 3 seasons. It will be a different kind of big three.
Bosh was not asked to rebound for The Heat they way the offense ran. He was to be out on the wings and creating space for the two man game of Wade and Lebron. What made The Heat so successful (not in year 4 as much) was their insane defense. That is what I do not see the Cav's being able to do for a while. Too young still. Youth sometimes is overrated unless it is truly special youth. I think Wiggins is special, I think Kyrie has a chance at being special too.
My point is...not this year. And maybe not next year. I think the national expectations are on a sugar high right now and those will be tempered IMO over the course of the season. Of course they can blow up and be amazing. But I think Lebron is an extremely intelligent basketball player with the highest court IQ I have ever seen (since Magic) and he knows he has a long road ahead to get this team to a title shot.
People saying that Cleveland isn't a title contender are crazy IMO. They had the best record in the East when the conference was stronger with poorer support around LeBron.
I fully expect them to be a 55-60 win team next year.
People saying that Cleveland isn't a title contender are crazy IMO. They had the best record in the East when the conference was stronger with poorer support around LeBron.
I fully expect them to be a 55-60 win team next year.
They might have had less talent, but they had more veterans, they had players that played together for awhile, and they built that team to try and take advantage of Lebron's strengths, they were just missing that #2 option to take some pressure off of him. This team has talent but they are young and it's going to take time for players to develop, and the team to figure out their identity.
I do think they'll be one of and possibly even the best team in the East. But I'd be really surprised if they were good enough in year 1 to have a really legit chance of beating whoever comes out of the west.
Jesus this "young" **** is going to be as unbearable as the "Return of the King" "Homecoming" angles played every game this season. At the end of the day it's basketball. Some of y'all make it sound like everybody on the team not named LeBron or Anderson will be picking up a basketball for the first time ever in life come October.
People still give OKC this BS pass. "Durant is still improving, they're young, they'll only get better"
Cleveland is ready to contend now IMO. Could beat any team not named SA at the moment I feel like.
Honestly this team might be better equipped to beat San Antonio than Miami was. They have youth and quickness, more traditional big men, players who can rebound, likely players that can consistently defend Manu, Green, etc..
I think it could be a better matchup, but other teams might be more problematic. Getting out of the East will be a bigger challenge IMO, Chicago and Indy will be tough for this group. I think the Clippers would be a big problem, Warriors and Rockets too.
I think the Cavaliers will be pretty good pretty quick, but there will be growing pains. We saw 3 7 year veterans in Bosh, Wade and LeBron struggle with chemistry for a while...it's not out of the realm of possibility this team could struggle too...
I don't think anybody is saying it's out of the realm of possibility that they struggle though, it happens all the time with new pieces all the time, especially a piece like LeBron learning to adjust to each other. The problem is the guys beating this drum like they can't do anything because the team is too young and all this other stuff.
I think the Cavaliers will be pretty good pretty quick, but there will be growing pains. We saw 3 7 year veterans in Bosh, Wade and LeBron struggle with chemistry for a while...it's not out of the realm of possibility this team could struggle too...
Correct me if Im wrong but Im pretty sure they started something like 12-13 in their first season together
I think the Cavaliers will be pretty good pretty quick, but there will be growing pains. We saw 3 7 year veterans in Bosh, Wade and LeBron struggle with chemistry for a while...it's not out of the realm of possibility this team could struggle too...
I think that was more of a case of all 3 of them being alpha dogs on their own teams and then having to readjust their roles and play styles in big ways, especially Wade and LeBron. Both of them were ball dominant perimeter players that created basically all of their team's offense. Neither of them really knew how to play off the ball when the other one had it. With Cleveland, obviously there is no question whose team it is and I expect everyone will fall into place in their roles. The only one that will probably have to adjust the most is Kyrie becoming a little less of a primary ball-handler and more of a spot up shooter at times.
Don't get me wrong, I expect there to be growing pains with the Cavs as well, but not as bad as it was the first year with the Heat (of course they still went to the Finals though lol).
Honestly, my expectations are a run to the Eastern Conference Finals but falling short year 1. Anything less would be a disappointment and anything more would be a nice surprise.
Correct me if Im wrong but Im pretty sure they started something like 12-13 in their first season together
Yep.
Going from outside of the playoffs to a possible contender over the course of one season will be quite the experience for these guys..and that's not even taking into account the pressure of the playoffs....the majority of young guys in the league have to go through that growth...KD, Rondo etc. all took their lumps before being known for performing in the playoffs...
I think the Cavaliers will be pretty good pretty quick, but there will be growing pains. We saw 3 7 year veterans in Bosh, Wade and LeBron struggle with chemistry for a while...it's not out of the realm of possibility this team could struggle too...
I was one predicting the Heat would struggle to win in year one. And while I was technically right, I still say I was wrong bc they made it to the finals... really that's all you can ask for with so many variables involved in getting that far and winning it.
But with that said, my reasoning was that Lebron was not mentally ready and that's what he showed. He deferred too much, was too worried about failing in the big moment, struggled with trying to fit in vs take over, etc. He is a very different player and man now, and he's going into a situation where there is no question what his role needs to be.
Don't get me wrong, I would be SHOCKED if they won the championship in Cleveland year one, and I point more to inexperience all around than youth (inexperience with the coach in the NBA, with the players in Blatt's system, with the roles everyone besides James and Sideshow Bob will have to take, etc.). But I expect them to have a very good season.