10:10 PM - June 4, 2014 by Daywalker86
It looks like we will finally have tattoos in Madden. Check out the latest Madden NFL 15 screenshot of Colin Kaepernick showing off his ink.
UPDATE: Via @EricFisherSBJ
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10:10 PM - June 4, 2014 by Daywalker86It looks like we will finally have tattoos in Madden. Check out the latest Madden NFL 15 screenshot of Colin Kaepernick showing off his ink.
UPDATE: Via @EricFisherSBJ
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If all EA had to do was get players to obtain permission from their tattoo artist to have their tats in the game why wasn't it done before? You mean to tell me this is the first time a tattoo artist was willing to agree to allow the tattoos he's provided to one of his most famous, high profile client's to be published without compensation? The bottom line is EA didn't do it because they didn't have to because there was no incentive to do so.
The sad thing is this "tattoo license debate" really overshadows a damn nice screen shot of what could be a special madden from a visual standpoint. Need to see it in motion before I anoint them.
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Greenblood60 @ 06/05/14 02:10 PM
The last time there were tats in Madden, the license was open. It looks more and more like competition will be coming back. Maybe it won't be this year, but it's coming back.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when tattoos used to exist in Madden on PS2 / XBOX / PC, they were pretty much all generic tribal bicep bands, none of which approach what existed on players in real life, yes?
Tattoos don't make or break my opinion of the game, beyond that the more authenticity in the visuals, the better.
Tattoos don't make or break my opinion of the game, beyond that the more authenticity in the visuals, the better.
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But for at the end of the day tattoos not be included were the lease of the problems within the game. Hopefully gameplay will look as impressive as this screen shot.
Are people overlooking what I posted above or maybe they just don't want to believe it, but FIFA comes under the same umbrella as Madden does: EA
This came from a developer of FIFA:
Why don't tattooed players have their tattoos in the game? (Stuart Maughan)
It's a long and complicated story but all different reasons, really. Sometimes we don't have permission to use them; there's a bunch of different reasons for that. We actually get emails and messages from the players more than the fans saying, 'Where's my tattoo?' The copyrights around tattoos is really interesting, you'd be surprised."
Edit: I see dg read it.
I know we were told by the developers before the Weber regime that the NFL didn't allow tattoos, that's where the disconnect is coming from.
This sounds more like more of a valid and legal reason.
This came from a developer of FIFA:
Why don't tattooed players have their tattoos in the game? (Stuart Maughan)
It's a long and complicated story but all different reasons, really. Sometimes we don't have permission to use them; there's a bunch of different reasons for that. We actually get emails and messages from the players more than the fans saying, 'Where's my tattoo?' The copyrights around tattoos is really interesting, you'd be surprised."
Edit: I see dg read it.
I know we were told by the developers before the Weber regime that the NFL didn't allow tattoos, that's where the disconnect is coming from.
This sounds more like more of a valid and legal reason.
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bad_philanthropy @ 06/05/14 02:25 PM
It's funny though because some players in FIFA have tattoos located on their heads/necks by virtue of their facial scan.
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Who knows?
Tattoos were never a biggie for me, but I can see it being a biggie for others for the realism.
From one of mesteveo articles:
EA has lost of lot of money to lawsuits recently. Why take that chance, I guess?
Still sounds like a slippery slope to me:
Good stuff for a law school exam, I would think. Of course, plenty of tattoo artwork is actually covered by copyright -- which quite frequently goes ignored. But if we're talking about a unique piece of artwork, and no clear assignment of the copyright is made, there could very well be an issue.
It's worth pointing out, however, that this is not entirely a theoretical issue. Six years ago, we wrote about a tattoo artist suing the NBA, because a professional basketball player he had tattooed, Rasheed Wallace, had shown off the tattoo in a TV commercial, and the artist claimed it was a violation of his copyright. That lawsuit settled out of court, however, so we don't have a legal ruling as specific (that I'm aware of... but if there are other such cases, I'd love to know about them!).
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I am not familiar with tattoo copyrights at all, as I have none. But if you come in to get one and work with the artist on the design and then pay for that design how do you not have ownership of it. I would think its similar to commissioning an artist to do work for you. They attach their name to it, but the painting belongs to you.
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Probably need to read the paperwork before you sign it, too, if there is paperwork. I would think if you do help design it, then there isn't anything.
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A quick Google turns up this, this may have already been posted: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...006-story.html
From that - the guys who made The Hangover II apparently got sued by the artist who did Mike Tyson's face tattoo for said tattoo's appearance in the movie on a character who was not Mike Tyson himself. That case was settled out-of-course for an undisclosed amount of money.
Tattoo copyright appears to be a pretty fluid and messy legal issue right now.
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bad_philanthropy @ 06/05/14 02:39 PM
Then why can't tattoo artists sue the leagues and their tv partners? The leagues themselves are primary vehicles for advertisments or all sorts.
I have the Jays game on now, and they just showed a sponsored graphic by Honda for some stats with an image of Brett Lawrie and all his tattoos.
I know the reality of the legal precedents appear to disagree with me, but it just seems so asinine. A human body is fundamentally different than any other sort of entity or rights-bearing vehicle around which legal particulars are ascribed.
I have the Jays game on now, and they just showed a sponsored graphic by Honda for some stats with an image of Brett Lawrie and all his tattoos.
I know the reality of the legal precedents appear to disagree with me, but it just seems so asinine. A human body is fundamentally different than any other sort of entity or rights-bearing vehicle around which legal particulars are ascribed.
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bad_philanthropy @ 06/05/14 02:42 PM
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Anyway, I can understand EA just wanting to be extra careful with this nonsense.
Taken from CM's article in the LA Times:
Late last year, for example, Stephen Allen, a tattoo artist, sued video game maker Electronic Arts and former Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams over a tattoo Allen put on Williams' bicep. The tattoo appeared on the cover of EA's "NFL Street" video game. Allen claimed that the reproduction and display of the tattoo violated his copyright.
That case was dismissed in April at the request of the plaintiff, but because so many NFL players have tattoos, it got the attention of the NFL Players Assn. NFLPA officials began advising players to get copyright waivers from their tattoo artists. George Atallah, an NFLPA official, told Bloomberg Businessweek that the union recently cautioned its players: We know you love your tattoo artists, but regardless of whether you trust them, regardless of whether there are legal merits to the lawsuits that we've seen, just protect yourself.
So, there's that, too.
Late last year, for example, Stephen Allen, a tattoo artist, sued video game maker Electronic Arts and former Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams over a tattoo Allen put on Williams' bicep. The tattoo appeared on the cover of EA's "NFL Street" video game. Allen claimed that the reproduction and display of the tattoo violated his copyright.
That case was dismissed in April at the request of the plaintiff, but because so many NFL players have tattoos, it got the attention of the NFL Players Assn. NFLPA officials began advising players to get copyright waivers from their tattoo artists. George Atallah, an NFLPA official, told Bloomberg Businessweek that the union recently cautioned its players: We know you love your tattoo artists, but regardless of whether you trust them, regardless of whether there are legal merits to the lawsuits that we've seen, just protect yourself.
So, there's that, too.
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tha_show256 @ 06/05/14 02:44 PM
Well I must say that I am really IMPRESSED with EA these days! EA sports UFC if anyone hasn't downloaded the demo, you need to check it out, even if your not a fan of MMA the graphics alone states that it is a MUST buy! Anyway, back to the point, I'm pumped as whole with the next gen of games that are hitting the market! This is what gaming should be!!
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bad_philanthropy @ 06/05/14 02:45 PM
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