10:52 PM - June 14, 2013 by CondaAt roughly the 2:12 mark in this video, you can see a quick glimpse of the NBA Live 14 BounceTek demo from E3 2013.
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10:52 PM - June 14, 2013 by CondaAt roughly the 2:12 mark in this video, you can see a quick glimpse of the NBA Live 14 BounceTek demo from E3 2013.
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# 42
GisherJohn24 @ 06/24/13 03:17 PM
Being a long time Live fan, I tread softly having any hype for this. I actually thought Live 10 was the best the series has gone since the Ps2 days. Now the control scheme seems to be so much different to long time fans. I won't be hyped until I see a demo with full 5 on 5, we all watch, then we will judge. I can't see this making launch day for the next gen consoles. E.A. can ill-afford to mess this game up, again. Too much is on the line .If they botch this ,nobody will buy a basketball game form them again. They need to do this right...
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Behindshadows @ 06/27/13 12:53 PM
Honestly I thought everything looked smooth and animated well in that video, glad they are going back to the practice gym like Live 06 - 09. Cloth effects on jerseys' looked much better.
And he moved very smooth and body style didn't look so bad with the slim players.
And he moved very smooth and body style didn't look so bad with the slim players.
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HammerOfGod @ 06/27/13 10:03 PM
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Boilerbuzz @ 06/28/13 04:05 AM
Too bad that video didn't actually show the actual demo of it that was in the booth. Oh well. Word of caution guys: don't get caught up in buzzwords and don't expect more than what's been said. Again: when you start expecting too much, you only set yourself up for disappointment that gets unfairly reflected back on EA.
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# 48
thedream2k13 @ 06/29/13 07:41 PM
if the ball is TRUELY independent of the players hands this will be a great advancement. One of my problems with 2k13 is the spamming of crossovers due to just pushing stick back and forth to wiggle past sliding defenders to get open shots. I would like to see dribbling more about timing when it comes to doing crossovers.
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So my point is; why do we think that is a great thing?
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stillfeelme @ 06/30/13 11:21 AM
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# 51
mango_prom @ 07/01/13 09:46 AM
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In 2k13, nothing happens at all. You can alternate dribble moves with bumping until a breakdown animation is triggered while losing the ball is not a huge issue since turnover animations are mostly tied to the defender actually trying to actively stealing the ball.
In reality, it's often sufficient to maintain a good defensive position to discourage the ball handler from trying iso nonsense, since you simply don't have to react at all. Keep your stance and he's going nowhere. This common tactic can't be applied to 2k13, since the ball is tied to animations, meaning you either trigger a steal animation, or you don't. And with ankle breaker, 2k even gives offensive players increased odds of trigger a defensive breakdown even if the defender doesn't do anything at all.
And that's where a live ball completely changes the game. If the ball is actually independent from player interactions, it's possible to give gamers the ability to apply real life approaches to defending the ball handler. Momentum and angles become key issues in one vs one situations as opposed to 2k13, where it's sufficient to spam moves until the defender is forced into breaking down. Live ball properly implemented would be huge.
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# 53
JerzeyReign @ 07/02/13 10:08 AM
I hate to continue the comparison but 2k has done the live ball thing and the community went nuts. Remember blocks by elbows and balls bouncing off player's heels on the break? All live ball failures. If we learned anything about EA Sports gaming over this generation is that the idea sounds great but implementing it is normally sub par.
If they have figured out, great. But if they did they would post a vid, we all know they have something.
If they have figured out, great. But if they did they would post a vid, we all know they have something.
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I personally think if Live 14 is developed around this live/physic ball handling I think it will work better than 2ks attempt.
# 55
2_headedmonster @ 07/02/13 03:06 PM
My problem with the whole "live ball" thing in a video game is that if done right it can be amazing and provide numerous satisfying moments, but it takes SO MUCH for it to be done right and be believable.
There has to be some factor of strength to determine the effort required to knock the ball loose otherwise you have instances of elbow blocks and hips knocking the ball free for turnovers. Then there has to be animations to show that even though the ball wasnt knocked loose, there was indeed contact.
There has to be a multitude of contextual animations to simulate the ball handler protecting the ball all of which need to be tied to awareness. But then you have the crowd that doesn’t want to be altered involuntarily by the defensive steal attempts so either you have to make the animations very minimal or have to include a manual protect button that would have to be used constantly throughout the game.
Also in the real world it’s a challenge a getting into position to make a play on the ball, it’s a skill combined with instinct, timing and footwork developed after years of practice. In a video game all it takes is a flick of the stick and you are in position, so something major would have to be done to footwork to makes sure that “real” limitations are placed on movement to minimize the exploitation of the “live ball”.
I just feel like it’s a really tall task, especially by a company that has proven to struggle to capture the game of basketball and is just jumping back into the market; on a new system might I add.
There has to be some factor of strength to determine the effort required to knock the ball loose otherwise you have instances of elbow blocks and hips knocking the ball free for turnovers. Then there has to be animations to show that even though the ball wasnt knocked loose, there was indeed contact.
There has to be a multitude of contextual animations to simulate the ball handler protecting the ball all of which need to be tied to awareness. But then you have the crowd that doesn’t want to be altered involuntarily by the defensive steal attempts so either you have to make the animations very minimal or have to include a manual protect button that would have to be used constantly throughout the game.
Also in the real world it’s a challenge a getting into position to make a play on the ball, it’s a skill combined with instinct, timing and footwork developed after years of practice. In a video game all it takes is a flick of the stick and you are in position, so something major would have to be done to footwork to makes sure that “real” limitations are placed on movement to minimize the exploitation of the “live ball”.
I just feel like it’s a really tall task, especially by a company that has proven to struggle to capture the game of basketball and is just jumping back into the market; on a new system might I add.
# 56
Boilerbuzz @ 07/05/13 03:09 AM
First, if you think this "live ball" talk from EA will extend uninhibited to all of gameplay, you're fooling yourself. Secondly, isn't there a discussion about the horrors of "live ball" in a video game?
# 57
quehouston @ 07/05/13 02:27 PM
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I feel like if this is implemented correctly, this would be the ultimate feature of a basketball simulation. In real life, you cant just dribble all willy nilly and not expect consequences. If you are up against a great defender and you are showing them the ball all game, then of course they are gonna take it from you. You have to protect the ball. That brings up the point made by 2 Headed Monster a couple posts earlier. If they are gonna have live ball, then we have to have some kind of protect button to put bodies between the man and the ball. Plus this brings up the possibility of inadvertent loose balls, but doesnt that happen in 2k now, even with the coded ball?
I just feel bounceTek is gonna open up ample opportunities on the offensive side as well as the defensive side of the ball. I feel like taking care of the the ball is gonna be challenging, as it is in real life. If you watch an NBA game, you dont see players constantly doing crossovers all game, trying to beat their man. You have to pick your spots, which is a sign of simulation to me. The intangibility of the ball in 2k is extremely frustrating, especially when you time your steal perfectly.
But of course, some people love just being able to unload an insane amount of dribble moves without consequence. For those people, there will always be 2k (Unless they are doing something different, but I wouldn't bank on it). If Live actually gets this and the physics right, it could be the future of basketball games.
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# 59
stillfeelme @ 07/06/13 10:47 PM
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After listening to that Scott O'Gallagher video I think I have formed my opinion that BounceTek is normal dribbling add in advance moves plus signature dribbling plus physics of the ball, dribbler and defender. I think the ball will be live. Meaning you choose the wrong move at the wrong time you will set yourself up for a turnover or deflection. The physics part is the real key. Most think of physics as in contact but I think they are trying to get a hold of momentum, acceleration and foot planting which is also physics but more in line with how elite ball handlers break down a defender. The one on one dribbler to defense interaction has not been represented well in any game yet. We will see come this fall/winter on next gen how successful they are but I must admit it sounds good.
# 60
2_headedmonster @ 07/07/13 01:49 PM
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Well to be honest, on 2k if you boost the steal success to 60 and the steal success to 55 then the ball basically becomes "live". For steal attempts anyway. But for it to be completely "live" or independent, i think it would be a much larger undertaking.
Just thinking about all the measures i take to protect the ball when i actually play vs the number of contextual animations it would require to convey that just seems like a massive task. Not to mention that these animations have to be smooth, realistic, concise and evenly transition into other crossover and footwork animations.... yikes
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