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Greg Miller of IGN sat down with Cam Weber on the IGN set at E3 to talk Madden NFL 25 and what the Ignite Engine means to next-gen Madden.

"(The Ignite Engine) is best in class tech from all of our franchises," Weber said.

The new locomotion system within the new generation of Madden was developed by both the Madden and FIFA teams alongside each other. Weber was particularly high on the new system, "The thing that makes Madden feel special on Gen-4 is our new true step locomotion sytem," Weber said. "You have much more control over every move."

Weber said that Player Sense makes 50x more calculations a second than Madden on current gen.

"It's like taking the blindfold off. They (digital players) can see the entire field, all the players and objects around them and they can react on the fly to what everyone else is doing," Weber said.

Weber said the additional power allows for the extra calculations from players and the new physics engine, which will add more depth than ever to Madden NFL Football.

When asked about what this could mean on a practical level, Weber elaborated on the line play, "The line of scrimmage has so much going on this year, whether it's run blocking or pass blocking it's completely overhauled."

Weber went on to talk about pocket awareness and pre-snap targeting and how offensive linemen will dynamically change assignments starting from the center outwards, just like in real football. This dynamic shifting of assignments continues as the snap occurs as well, Weber said.

And the big one, when asked about the generational leap and the possibly of features lost, Weber responded, "It will be a fully featured Madden right out of the gate. We're not losing any depth."

Weber said Connected Franchise was built with this generation in mind, so there won't be any depth lost as you upgrade from the current generation to Madden on the Xbox One and PlayStation 4.

While we've long suspected this was the case, it's nice to officially hear that Madden will be losing no depth as it makes the generational leap.

How does this affect your perception of the upcoming next-gen Madden?

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# 61 Nza @ 06/13/13 06:14 AM
It seems like NG Madden is basically the same game with a bit more detail in the models and textures, a few extra plugins turned on to take advantage of the increases processing power. It is the smart move but points to being snake bitten on trying to develop a new engine for a new platform like the previous NG game did. A bit "damned if you do, damned if you don't", unless of course they tried and actually did it well.

And while all these extra AI bells and whistles sound great, EA have long since lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to implementation in my books. Anything that adds extra complications rings alarm bells for me and potential glitches, bugs, and half arsed measures. I'm not dogging it outright, I'm just firmly in the camp of "I'll believe it when I see it", where "see" is having it proven without question to be what it is hyped as.
 
# 62 infemous @ 06/13/13 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ghettogeeksta
Their is no excuse why tackling isn't down packed in a next-gen game, I thought IE was suppose to foster gang tackling? but I seen non in that video! In fact the taclking was horrible and im not talking about AP breaking tackles because I know its on Rookie, im talking about the same old canned animations that have been in this game for years, im talking about tacklers still falling over like bowling pens around the ball carriers once a tackle animation starts, im talking about tacklers diving past ball carriers like they are not even their once the animation starts! Im talking about at 9:50 of that video how that tackle animation started and their nothing AP can do about it, resulting in a unrealistic tackle. Ill be shocked if these things are fixed before release. They either need to go 100 percent physics or make IE so good that we barely can tell the difference between IE and real physics.
THIS.

I said in another thread exactly my concerns with regards to this game and this video.

To summarise, I honestly don't feel that Madden can be what it should be if its still principally being built off of the same, fundamentally flawed and restrictive tech from before.

Lets see if they REALLY fixed all of the little glitches and removed all of the bad code.

Do ratings actually matter in this game?? Will penalty sliders still affect the way the game is played?

If the answers are no and yes then this next gen is as hamstrung as current gen.

Thank god Battlefield 4 looks godly.
 
# 63 Dazraz @ 06/13/13 07:36 AM
The big jump in visuals will come in time. If EA stick to their word & avoid their usual strip down process they normally go through with each new console then I will be happy. Rather that than have a jaw dropping game visually without any depth.
 
# 64 JoeMimic @ 06/13/13 08:54 AM
"Weber said that Player Sense makes 50x more calculations a second than Madden on current gen.

"It's like taking the blindfold off. They (digital players) can see the entire field, all the players and objects around them and they can react on the fly to what everyone else is doing," Weber said."

Does this mean we're going to go back to having DBs flying across the field on the release of a throw to breakup and intercept passes even though their back is turned to the QB when the ball is thrown?
 
# 65 djordan @ 06/13/13 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Springer32
It is amazing that so many professional video game programmers we have here giving their critique of this game. I'm sure everyone of these people know that what they are complaining about is totally possible to implement and actually really easy to do because they themselves have already done it on their own projects.
Just like how one can critique music but never stepped into a recording studio or how one can critique a movie but never held a camera in their life. Come on man...
 
# 66 infemous @ 06/13/13 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMimic
"Weber said that Player Sense makes 50x more calculations a second than Madden on current gen.

"It's like taking the blindfold off. They (digital players) can see the entire field, all the players and objects around them and they can react on the fly to what everyone else is doing," Weber said."

Does this mean we're going to go back to having DBs flying across the field on the release of a throw to breakup and intercept passes even though their back is turned to the QB when the ball is thrown?
This is a valid concern. Without REAL physics governing the laws of the game, the added intelligence could lead to yet more unrealistic physics to atone for difficulty settings and in game 'momentum balances' etc.

In theory, what you'd want is the increased AI to differentiate good from great players.

The reason someone like Janoris Jenkins is such a talent is his ability to diagnose a play and the instincts to break on it and take the correct angle to the ball. Thats whats the difference between Janoris and Bradley Fletcher... Although Janoris is slightly more athletic which enables him to do what he does effectively.

Darrelle Revis on the other hand is a completely different animal because he is so technically proficient and mentally astute that he reads tendencies in WRs routes and in play calling... The marriage of the two, along with great athleticism is what makes him the best CB in the league.

I just don't trust EA to be able to make this differentiation without messing it up. Increased AI should be imperative to making the game more realistic, but there's a very good chance it will do the opposite.

Psychic DBs are still in the game, as well as animations that make interceptions from impossible angles. You do not see guys making over the head INTs, jumping 4 foot in the air when trailing a WR who has 5 steps on him. Its not physically possible.

The animations supersede any realistic physics in this game and allow the IMpossible to become possible.

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Originally Posted by Profit89
^This.

All EA games suffer this same syndrome: Genericness.

Stats don't even matter. Every player/team feel exactly the same and are capable of the exact same things. It's not like NBA2K series or PES series which have Individuality.
Exactly, and its not through lack of technology either, its a lack of care and attention to detail.

This new development team seem like they have that desire, but I cannot place my trust in them based on their employers.

One thing that has stopped me from buying FIFA in 2 years is how players like Arjen Robben who are so unbelievably one footed can so comfortably take shots with their weak foot. It may be less accurate, but you do not, EVER see Arjen Robben turn onto his right foot and lash a shot. He will take another touch and turn it back onto his left to take a shot. This was in PES on PS2 and I can't say whether it is on this current gen, but there is no excuse for it not being on FIFA.

I find it very hard to determine which foot is a player's strong foot on FIFA until I take a penalty with them. If the ball is in a neutral position, a player should always try and kick it with their stronger foot. Depending on their weak foot ability, it should then determine how likely they are to be able to kick with their weak foot. Small body adjustments to cater to the stronger foot just do not exist in FIFA and that frustrates me.

The same thing is evident in Madden - not enough unique celebrations, run styles, pass styles, or play styles.

In Madden and especially on defense, if you don't have man coverage corners with 90+ speed you will get picked apart. No scheme approach, having physical slow corners or playing a very effective Tampa 2 will work. That is what sucks about Madden beyond the physics and AI issues... but they're so closely intertwined within them too.
 
# 67 Broncos86 @ 06/13/13 01:01 PM
What I picked up from the video is that players see the entire field. That says to me that ratings don't matter and that offensive linemen will be perfect in their assignments. It'll still come down a coin flip whether a lineman is beat or not. There won't be "grinding in the trenches." Your run plays will still be blown up by some scrub defensive end winning the coin flip against an All Pro tackle. Also, your all-pro "sack machine" DE will be held in check by the punter blocking on the line.
 
# 68 BigBadTom @ 06/13/13 01:28 PM
I'm not sure why everyone is down on this video? They are doing better regarding the transition to next gen then ever before--as they made huge improvement all of which are being included on top of specific next gen features. Also the graphics will improve as that is a very marketable feature that they would add.
 
# 69 infemous @ 06/13/13 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadTom
I'm not sure why everyone is down on this video? They are doing better regarding the transition to next gen then ever before--as they made huge improvement all of which are being included on top of specific next gen features. Also the graphics will improve as that is a very marketable feature that they would add.
'better' is still light years behind other sports games.

Incremental steps even though they're getting a much more powerful system to develop on is not acceptable.

We have yet to see anything revolutionary, only what we expected at the bare minimum and it is unlikely that that will be implemented correctly.

All we ask for is that physically impossible movements be physically impossible in Madden... That doesn't look like its gonna make it, as we still see guys bouncing off one another when an animation is taking place. That is not acceptable. It was fixable in last gen so the fact it isn't fixed for next gen is not looking hopeful for us.
 
# 70 moylan1234 @ 06/13/13 02:48 PM
Like others I'm disappointed with this some of the OL/DL interactions looked pretty good, but once again the player and uniform are all one asset. Will we ever see a player actually wearing a uniform in this series? For some reason I had it in my head that next gen these things would be different.

Also I agree with everyone else about the whole 4-5 months thing. If history has taught us anything its that what we see in that video is basically what we'll get on release day.
 
# 71 jpdavis82 @ 06/13/13 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by moylan
Like others I'm disappointed with this some of the OL/DL interactions looked pretty good, but once again the player and uniform are all one asset. Will we ever see a player actually wearing a uniform in this series? For some reason I had it in my head that next gen these things would be different.

Also I agree with everyone else about the whole 4-5 months thing. If history has taught us anything its that what we see in that video is basically what we'll get on release day.
Yes, on release day you're going to see a empty stadium with no crowd or coaches, camera men, water boys, cheerleaders, no stat banners, no commentary, no replays, no passing plays just running, no real time lighting, and green and yellow lines coming from the ball carrier. THIS is the final product, so we may as well just all cancel our Madden pre-orders and show up with pitchforks at EA right?

THIS isn't even the final product, but it's from a build 3 weeks newer than the AP running demo at E3.
 
# 72 moylan1234 @ 06/13/13 03:05 PM
Yeah that's what I said. Obviously I was talking about the game play like everyone else. take your EA blinders off please.

And I've seen that video too it doesn't impress me either our concerns are still valid
 
# 73 tfctillidie @ 06/13/13 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by moylan
Yeah that's what I said. Obviously I was talking about the game play like everyone else. take your EA blinders off please.

And I've seen that video too it doesn't impress me either our concerns are still valid

It's pre-alpha, so not really.

Look up pre-alpha footage for any title that has it available, you will find very broken/unfinished games, because that's what pre-alpha is.

Then again, this forum is bat **** insane, so think what you wish.
 
# 74 moylan1234 @ 06/13/13 03:15 PM
I'm just looking at EA's history here not sure how that's insane. but tell yourself whatever you need to. I'm sure in 5 months it'll be a whole new game then.
 
# 75 tfctillidie @ 06/13/13 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by moylan
I'm just looking at EA's history here not sure how that's insane. but tell yourself whatever you need to. I'm sure in 5 months it'll be a whole new game then.
So because Gen 1 to Gen 2 went moderately well and Gen 2 to Gen 3 did not, you have proven Gen 4 is guaranteed to fail.

All of this, based on pre-alpha footage where you could use 2 plays in a controlled environment.

Yes, it's me telling myself whatever I need to. Spot on mate.
 
# 76 djordan @ 06/13/13 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tfctillidie
It's pre-alpha, so not really.

Look up pre-alpha footage for any title that has it available, you will find very broken/unfinished games, because that's what pre-alpha is.

Then again, this forum is bat **** insane, so think what you wish.
Look up pre-alpha footage of any madden released from 2006-2013 and you'll realize "What you see is what you'll get".

Everyone knows this about the Madden series...
 
# 77 moylan1234 @ 06/13/13 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tfctillidie
So because Gen 1 to Gen 2 went moderately well and Gen 2 to Gen 3 did not, you have proven Gen 4 is guaranteed to fail.

All of this, based on pre-alpha footage where you could use 2 plays in a controlled environment.

Yes, it's me telling myself whatever I need to. Spot on mate.
when did I say any of that again?
 
# 78 d11king @ 06/13/13 03:25 PM
This looked terrible. Why is it so hard for them to see AP did no such foot-planting. I'm really at a loss for words, looks as if its gonna be the same nonsense on next-gen just better graphics. I'll rightfully decline, EA Sports. Unpleasure doing business with you.
 
# 79 tfctillidie @ 06/13/13 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by djordan
Look up pre-alpha footage of any madden released from 2006-2013 and you'll realize "What you see is what you'll get".

Everyone knows this about the Madden series...
Ok. I guess Madden 25 on next gen forgot to add 30 teams, fans, commentary and everything else.

Oh and it only has 2 plays.

You're just another guy on these boards that is still mad about Madden 08 or some other old version. Let it go.

This board is full of mindless haters. You guys just don't like Madden, so give it up. Why are you even here? This is what Madden is, you think you're going to change that? Is complaining for years on top of years going to matter? Madden is this. Period.

Let people constructively talk about the game without constantly referring back to ancient history. LET IT GO.

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Originally Posted by moylan
when did I say any of that again?
So then what are you basing it off of? You're the one referring to EA's history, so explain yourself.
 
# 80 BV11 @ 06/13/13 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tfctillidie
Ok. I guess Madden 25 on next gen forgot to add 30 teams, fans, commentary and everything else.

Oh and it only has 2 plays.

You're just another guy on these boards that is still mad about Madden 08 or some other old version. Let it go.

This board is full of mindless haters. You guys just don't like Madden, so give it up. Why are you even here? This is what Madden is, you think you're going to change that? Is complaining for years on top of years going to matter? Madden is this. Period.

Let people constructively talk about the game without constantly referring back to ancient history. LET IT GO.



So then what are you basing it off of? You're the one referring to EA's history, so explain yourself.
Is it that hard for you to understand that nobody here is bashing the fact that there is only 2 teams, no fans, no sidelines, etc? We are strictly talking about what we are seeing on the field, the gameplay. The most important part of the game. And it looks subpar compared to where other sports games are at.

And I am not a Madden hate-r. I still play 05/06 on Xbox. Those games were great, I loved madden back then. The game took a turn for the worse, and I guess you could call me a hate-r, but only of this gen of madden, because it isn't good.
 


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