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Madden NFL 25 has redesigned pass blocking with its new targeting system, which is the foundation of the battle in the trenches. Offensive and defensive lineman are more physical and intelligent, but unfortunately you won’t notice any of this until you pop Madden NFL 25 into your Xbox One – hopefully you have patience, and, well, an Internet connection.

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# 61 Wikedjug @ 06/20/13 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	I have plenty bad to say about Madden's graphics, but I'll save that for another discussion. And the fact that it is running on a PC is not an argument in the graphics' favor either, as it will not look as good on consoles, unless they were running it on a mid range PC, which absolutely never happens.

So a 8 core cpu, a gpu clocked at 1.8 tflops and 8 gb GDDR5 is a mid range pc(ps4 specs)?

That's a $1200+ PC.

# 62 Only1LT @ 06/20/13 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjug


	So a 8 core cpu, a gpu clocked at 1.8 tflops and 8 gb GDDR5 is a mid range pc(ps4 specs)? That's a $1200+ PC.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I was talking about the PC that they present games on at shows. They are high end PCs. That's why Battlefield looks so much better at a show than it does on your PS3 or 360. So I was saying that if you are using the excuse of it being shown on a PC to justify that it could look better on the PS4/One, that that is nonsense. It's already running on the highest end, or close to it, hardware that it could be running on.

Furthermore, a PS4/One is technically a mid range PC. It's an 8 core SOC. It's not an Ivy Bridge CPU. It doesn't have a dedicated high end GPU. There's no Titan or even a GTX 780 inside of a PS4/One. Obviously the hardware is somewhat subsidized, but let's be frank. A Titan GPU costs $1000. The PS4 costs $399 and the One $499. A GTX 780 costs $650. How the heck is a PS4/One not a mid range PC when a high end graphics card costs more than the whole damned system? The only thing that is not mid range about the PS4 is that it uses DDR5 memory as opposed to DDR3.

Now consoles are dedicated gaming solutions, so they don't have nearly as many processes running as a PC, so you can actually get better performance on a console with these specs than you could on a PC built with these specs, but make no mistake about it, as advanced as the new consoles are, they are by no means anywhere close to being high end PCs. Their architecture is more akin to a mobile device or laptop, than it is to a desktop PC.

# 63 The JareBear @ 06/22/13 03:15 PM

Graphics look good to me, I'm sure it's even better when playing it for yourself

# 64 Only1LT @ 06/23/13 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutwolf


	You severely underestimate the benefits of optimization and how much further console's can go than their spec equivalent pc counterpart when a dev knows exactly what specs it's dealing with, and optimizes accordingly. As someone who owns a pretty beastly PC that maxes most games out at 1440p, the graphical differences between what I'm seeing from, say, watch dogs on ps4 and what I usually get maxed out on my pc is not so big as to make much of a difference in determining which version I buy.

I'm not underestimating the benefit of consoles being dedicated gaming solutions. I said as much in the comment that you quoted. That does not change the fact that in terms of hardware, the consoles are still nowhere near high end PC hardware.

There is no such thing as a high end PC that uses a SOC. There is no such thing as a high end PC that doesn't have a dedicated PCIE GPU.

I'm not knocking consoles. I'm getting one. It's just a statement of fact.

# 65 Tyrant8RDFL @ 06/23/13 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBleedingRed21


	The colors are a hell of a lot better. Still shocked people expected a ps2-ps3 kind of leap in graphics lol. It's about gameplay now folks (The true measurement of games).

Yep I agree. Graphics aren't going to take that much of a leap for now. The 360 and PS3 produces nice graphics, so yes we just need to look for much improved gameplay,

We need to see better animations, presentations, and A.I.

# 66 Wikedjug @ 06/27/13 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I was talking about the PC that they present games on at shows. They are high end PCs. That's why Battlefield looks so much better at a show than it does on your PS3 or 360. So I was saying that if you are using the excuse of it being shown on a PC to justify that it could look better on the PS4/One, that that is nonsense. It's already running on the highest end, or close to it, hardware that it could be running on. Furthermore, a PS4/One is technically a mid range PC. It's an 8 core SOC. It's not an Ivy Bridge CPU. It doesn't have a dedicated high end GPU. There's no Titan or even a GTX 780 inside of a PS4/One. Obviously the hardware is somewhat subsidized, but let's be frank. A Titan GPU costs $1000. The PS4 costs $399 and the One $499. A GTX 780 costs $650. How the heck is a PS4/One not a mid range PC when a high end graphics card costs more than the whole damned system? The only thing that is not mid range about the PS4 is that it uses DDR5 memory as opposed to DDR3. Now consoles are dedicated gaming solutions, so they don't have nearly as many processes running as a PC, so you can actually get better performance on a console with these specs than you could on a PC built with these specs, but make no mistake about it, as advanced as the new consoles are, they are by no means anywhere close to being high end PCs. Their architecture is more akin to a mobile device or laptop, than it is to a desktop PC.

Comparing price points of GPUs to the systems is laughable dude. GPUs aren't sold at a loss, new consoles are. New GPUs are sold at a massive profit which is why nvidia and amd are churning out a new generation every 1.5 years.

The ps4s GPU is based off what will be the 8850-8870 GPUs, those GPUs will likely cost near the same as a ps4.

From a strictly gaming perspective you will have to drop over a grand on a pc to get the same performance the ps4 will give you.

People including you are trying to imply that next gen consoles are going to be behind pcs like the current gen are. That is flat out false, the only thing a 5 grand pc is going to accomplish over a ps4 is running a game at a ridiculous resolution and that is it. We didn't start to see PC graphics surpass 360/ps3 gaming until late 2008-2009. It will be the same here as it always is. PC graphics will surpass systems about half way through the generation, start of generation not even close. Start of generation is a HORRIBLE time for pc games because you get crappy optimized games that are resource hogs and actually get less performance then consoles in a lot of situations.

# 67 sk @ 06/27/13 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GiantBlue76


	Maybe I'm in the minority, but graphics don't concern me. I still prefer all pro football to madden and the graphics are nowhere near as good. It's not about graphics as much as it is movement and player interaction. Pretty graphics mean nothing if the game goes to crap once everything starts moving. If tiburon makes next gen madden with great player movement and proper football and physical fundamentals, I think we will all be a lot happier.

I wouldn't say that graphics don't matter for me, but there are a lot of other areas of concerns that are greater IMO than graphics.

# 68 ubernoob @ 06/27/13 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjug


	Comparing price points of GPUs to the systems is laughable dude. GPUs aren't sold at a loss, new consoles are. New GPUs are sold at a massive profit which is why nvidia and amd are churning out a new generation every 1.5 years. The ps4s GPU is based off what will be the 8850-8870 GPUs, those GPUs will likely cost near the same as a ps4. From a strictly gaming perspective you will have to drop over a grand on a pc to get the same performance the ps4 will give you. People including you are trying to imply that next gen consoles are going to be behind pcs like the current gen are. That is flat out false, the only thing a 5 grand pc is going to accomplish over a ps4 is running a game at a ridiculous resolution and that is it. We didn't start to see PC graphics surpass 360/ps3 gaming until late 2008-2009. It will be the same here as it always is. PC graphics will surpass systems about half way through the generation, start of generation not even close. Start of generation is a HORRIBLE time for pc games because you get crappy optimized games that are resource hogs and actually get less performance then consoles in a lot of situations.

You are incorrect on many counts here.

When the last gen of consoles (360/PS3 for reference) they were ahead of what was on the market for high end PC options. The optimization is true, if a game is a simple port over and done. Games developed and optimized for PC will still look better than games developed and optimized for XBone/PS4.

You mention PC being better at running some crazy resolution. I didn't know 1080 was crazy. Unless I'm mistaken and PS3/XBox don't actually run games at 720 (Protip: They do.)

The costs for the components ARE subsidized, because the deal is nVidia (or AMD this gen) gets a small % of every console sold.\

In comparison to a PC, you can probably guess how the Xbox One and PS4 compare. There’s no direct comparison for the 8-core Jaguar CPU — AMD’s own parts based on the Jaguar core, Kabini and Temash, are quad-core parts destined for ultrathins and tablets. From leaked benchmarks, the Jaguar core is around 10% faster than its predecessor (Bobcat). A dual-core Brazos (Bobcat core) about 10 times slower than the latest Ivy Bridge parts, in a very naive comparison. So, all in all, an 8-core Jaguar might manage about half the performance of a current-gen Core i7. The GPU comparison is easier: The Radeon 7790 is a $150 card.

The PS4 is based off of a 7870, not an "8850-8870" as you so elegantly stated. The 7870 is still surpassed by a GTX580 in most phases. It's a ~$200 dollar card.

If you are going to spread misinformation, at least preface your statements by saying that you don't know what you are talking about.

# 69 Nza @ 06/28/13 08:06 PM

I don't believe we can use past console release cycles as much of a comparison here because I don't believe relative to the PC market that these consoles are as powerful as the past ones have been when they were released, at least not spec wise.

But this isn't a big deal. This generation is far less about visuals than the last console generation. Most console gamers would happily point to a current gen title as being perfectly fine visually (like Last Of Us). The proof is also in the pudding with what is at best a pretty tame increase in visuals for Madden.

The new consoles will be powerful enough to make some pretty games, but the focus on services the console can provide and the fact the hardware specs clearly point to "more" being a higher priority than "better looking" (8 cores, and the RAM being 10+ times more, are for adding more stuff, not more raw power) means that sheer visuals won't be what defines this generation.

This approach always made far more sense - they can't compete with PC for long with visuals, so it should really be a minimal requirement to meet rather than a primary focus. It is also low in value for money from MS/Sony's perspective - console gamers are typically fairly insulated from what constitutes good graphics on PC, so they can define what is and isn't the benchmark at any given point in time. If you tracked the progression of console graphics over an extended period of time and saw MS/Sony scaling back on the rate of increase in visual performance, you are not going to see lower sales, but you will see lower costs.

# 70 Only1LT @ 07/02/13 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjug


	Comparing price points of GPUs to the systems is laughable dude. GPUs aren't sold at a loss, new consoles are. New GPUs are sold at a massive profit which is why nvidia and amd are churning out a new generation every 1.5 years. The ps4s GPU is based off what will be the 8850-8870 GPUs, those GPUs will likely cost near the same as a ps4. From a strictly gaming perspective you will have to drop over a grand on a pc to get the same performance the ps4 will give you. People including you are trying to imply that next gen consoles are going to be behind pcs like the current gen are. That is flat out false, the only thing a 5 grand pc is going to accomplish over a ps4 is running a game at a ridiculous resolution and that is it. We didn't start to see PC graphics surpass 360/ps3 gaming until late 2008-2009. It will be the same here as it always is. PC graphics will surpass systems about half way through the generation, start of generation not even close. Start of generation is a HORRIBLE time for pc games because you get crappy optimized games that are resource hogs and actually get less performance then consoles in a lot of situations.

I'll say this as politely as possible. You have a serious lack of understanding of the specs of these consoles, the specs of a PC, and PC hardware in general.

# 71 Smoke6 @ 07/02/13 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	I'll say this as politely as possible. You have a serious lack of understanding of the specs of these consoles, the specs of a PC, and PC hardware in general.

The only thing our of the specs im looking to benefit from on the PS4, is the fact that we should not here anything ever again about system limitations in regards to things missing from madden which then impacts the progress of their new engine!

Other than that, I havent played madden since Feb and it was just a complete mess online and I couldnt take it or stand it any longer. First time I can recall that I ever stopped playing madden cold turkey like this, but the vid that was posted earlier about their stance on nex gen has me excited, im just not feeling it on these consoles we have now anymore!

# 72 Only1LT @ 07/02/13 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke6


	The only thing our of the specs im looking to benefit from on the PS4, is the fact that we should not here anything ever again about system limitations in regards to things missing from madden which then impacts the progress of their new engine! Other than that, I havent played madden since Feb and it was just a complete mess online and I couldnt take it or stand it any longer. First time I can recall that I ever stopped playing madden cold turkey like this, but the vid that was posted earlier about their stance on nex gen has me excited, im just not feeling it on these consoles we have now anymore!

Looking forward to the PS4 as well. Preordered it right after the E3 conference on Amazon.

Like I said before, not knocking the NG consoles. Just correcting erroneous statements.

Current gen Madden is a lost cause. Have a wait and see stance on NG Madden. Not a good first impression from the E3 Practice Demo though.

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