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E3 2013: Madden NFL 25 Xbox One Hands-On

10:49 AM - June 12, 2013 by RaychelSnr

Finally.

Madden NFL 25 has redesigned pass blocking with its new targeting system, which is the foundation of the battle in the trenches. Offensive and defensive lineman are more physical and intelligent, but unfortunately you won’t notice any of this until you pop Madden NFL 25 into your Xbox One – hopefully you have patience, and, well, an Internet connection.

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# 41 ubernoob @ 06/13/13 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBuddyHobbs


	So this means EA sports is screwing over Playstation owners again? Not trying to start any console wars just generally curious. Because on this current gen the 360 always had a better game whether it be slightly graphically, less glitching or even freezing issues. Those are my main concerns.

EA didn't scree over the PS owners. The cell processor was a pain for developers.

Both systems have similar (and pc-like) architecture this go round, so issues with ported games should be much fewer.

# 42 infemous @ 06/13/13 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa D


	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiIo06o0Ls Is this truly Next-Gen Football gaming??? Imo it didn't look like it.. The graphics may look like it, but it did not play like it..This is not a bash on Madden, this is reality.. This was my biggest fear.. EA & Tiburon would not have the talent to truly make a Next Gen Football game.. Right now Football gaming is pretty much dead thanks to EA.. How in the world could you Port your old game engine into the New Gen Consoles?? Not again.. It's getting pathetic now seriously.. Oh and they will probably say, “we build this game from the ground up” Yeah right, if this was built from scratch, why does it look and play similar to current gen Madden? Imo, if it was truly built from the ground up, tackling would look different, running would look different, and it would play much different! I think most people would agree.. Look closely at the Demo and you can see this Next Gen Madden plays very similar to current Gen just with better graphics and more power to add more canned animations.. Some of the animations are exactly like current Gen?? The tackling, the running, the gameplay, even the QB does the same signal call animation??!! They improved the Oline & Dline interaction animations because they have more power from the consoles to do it now? So that makes it Next Gen?? Leave it to EA & their Tiburon team to put this out and call it Next Gen Football??! It’s truly embarrassing and a smack on the face to us hardcore football gamers.. This is Pastapadre’s Quick Thought’s on Madden Next Gen, “Least impressive was Madden Football 25 which didn’t stand out as a huge leap over the current generation version which had been played earlier in the day. Before jumping to judgment keep in mind this comes from early in development and featured all 22 players on field but in a practice environment with only running plays as Adrian Peterson. Enhancements to the blocking were the focus here but it seemed like the current gen version had already showed a lot of it and the physics and animations were somewhat familiar. Madden just didn’t “pop” the way the other next-gen games on display did.” I have a question for you football fans.. What makes you or anyone believe that EA & Tiburon can make a truly Next Gen Football game?? Now really think about it before you answer the question… Think about how madden has been riddled with issues for so long.. Think about how this Madden game is compared to other current or next gen games.. Think about how long it takes for them to implement “truly” new innovation or technology.. Think about how many producers have come and gone.. Think about how long they have messed with football gamers by adding Gimmicks instead of really improving the real issues that plagued madden.. Last one, and this to me has be the most important.. Think about how a smaller company by the name of 2k sports put outa football game called 2k5 almost 10 years ago, that’s right almost a DECADE ago, still has more & better animations then Madden current Gen & even that Next Gen demo released.. How is that even possible?? How?? Here’s one example: CB/WR Jostling or Oline/Dline interaction animations.. Madden still can’t compete in those two areas of animations with what 2k5 did 9 years ago! This company EA & Tiburon are just finally doing something close to what 2k did with the Oline/dline interaction on their Next Gen Madden??! Just now??! Something a company did almost a Decade ago?? Something is not right.. We want to believe this company can finally make the change, but the proof is in the pudding! How can you trust this company?? What's sad is that there is no other choice...

Need to co-sign this so fully.

This is not a new engine in the sense that we'd hope for.

The game is STILL being layered upon mountains of redundant and broken code.

If they can prove to me that a 0 STR, 0 PBK and 0 RBK OL will be obliterated by a good or decent DLman, or if a Kicker can still do something to deny even an average DL then I will continue to hold my hopes back.

They need to publish an exhaustive list of what each rating actually DOES and likewise with each and every slider.

A 'next gen' game built on PS2 principles (which is what current gen is STILL based off of) will continue to fail to deliver what we are owed.

# 43 djordan @ 06/13/13 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa D


	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiIo06o0Ls Is this truly Next-Gen Football gaming??? Imo it didn't look like it.. The graphics may look like it, but it did not play like it..This is not a bash on Madden, this is reality.. This was my biggest fear.. EA & Tiburon would not have the talent to truly make a Next Gen Football game.. Right now Football gaming is pretty much dead thanks to EA.. How in the world could you Port your old game engine into the New Gen Consoles?? Not again.. It's getting pathetic now seriously.. Oh and they will probably say, “we build this game from the ground up” Yeah right, if this was built from scratch, why does it look and play similar to current gen Madden? Imo, if it was truly built from the ground up, tackling would look different, running would look different, and it would play much different! I think most people would agree.. Look closely at the Demo and you can see this Next Gen Madden plays very similar to current Gen just with better graphics and more power to add more canned animations.. Some of the animations are exactly like current Gen?? The tackling, the running, the gameplay, even the QB does the same signal call animation??!! They improved the Oline & Dline interaction animations because they have more power from the consoles to do it now? So that makes it Next Gen?? Leave it to EA & their Tiburon team to put this out and call it Next Gen Football??! It’s truly embarrassing and a smack on the face to us hardcore football gamers.. This is Pastapadre’s Quick Thought’s on Madden Next Gen, “Least impressive was Madden Football 25 which didn’t stand out as a huge leap over the current generation version which had been played earlier in the day. Before jumping to judgment keep in mind this comes from early in development and featured all 22 players on field but in a practice environment with only running plays as Adrian Peterson. Enhancements to the blocking were the focus here but it seemed like the current gen version had already showed a lot of it and the physics and animations were somewhat familiar. Madden just didn’t “pop” the way the other next-gen games on display did.” I have a question for you football fans.. What makes you or anyone believe that EA & Tiburon can make a truly Next Gen Football game?? Now really think about it before you answer the question… Think about how madden has been riddled with issues for so long.. Think about how this Madden game is compared to other current or next gen games.. Think about how long it takes for them to implement “truly” new innovation or technology.. Think about how many producers have come and gone.. Think about how long they have messed with football gamers by adding Gimmicks instead of really improving the real issues that plagued madden.. Last one, and this to me has be the most important.. Think about how a smaller company by the name of 2k sports put outa football game called 2k5 almost 10 years ago, that’s right almost a DECADE ago, still has more & better animations then Madden current Gen & even that Next Gen demo released.. How is that even possible?? How?? Here’s one example: CB/WR Jostling or Oline/Dline interaction animations.. Madden still can’t compete in those two areas of animations with what 2k5 did 9 years ago! This company EA & Tiburon are just finally doing something close to what 2k did with the Oline/dline interaction on their Next Gen Madden??! Just now??! Something a company did almost a Decade ago?? Something is not right.. We want to believe this company can finally make the change, but the proof is in the pudding! How can you trust this company?? What's sad is that there is no other choice...

Great F'N POST MAN! I agree with 100% of what you said.

# 44 BIGE888 @ 06/13/13 03:14 PM

as long as they get the next gen gameplay right i'm not going to b and moan about how the graphics aren't up to par. i mean, isn't that what we have pc gamers for?? i kiiiid i kiiiid!!

# 45 2krunk4u @ 06/15/13 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa D


	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiIo06o0Ls Is this truly Next-Gen Football gaming??? Imo it didn't look like it.. The graphics may look like it, but it did not play like it..This is not a bash on Madden, this is reality.. This was my biggest fear.. EA & Tiburon would not have the talent to truly make a Next Gen Football game.. Right now Football gaming is pretty much dead thanks to EA.. How in the world could you Port your old game engine into the New Gen Consoles?? Not again.. It's getting pathetic now seriously.. Oh and they will probably say, “we build this game from the ground up” Yeah right, if this was built from scratch, why does it look and play similar to current gen Madden? Imo, if it was truly built from the ground up, tackling would look different, running would look different, and it would play much different! I think most people would agree.. Look closely at the Demo and you can see this Next Gen Madden plays very similar to current Gen just with better graphics and more power to add more canned animations.. Some of the animations are exactly like current Gen?? The tackling, the running, the gameplay, even the QB does the same signal call animation??!! They improved the Oline & Dline interaction animations because they have more power from the consoles to do it now? So that makes it Next Gen?? Leave it to EA & their Tiburon team to put this out and call it Next Gen Football??! It’s truly embarrassing and a smack on the face to us hardcore football gamers.. This is Pastapadre’s Quick Thought’s on Madden Next Gen, “Least impressive was Madden Football 25 which didn’t stand out as a huge leap over the current generation version which had been played earlier in the day. Before jumping to judgment keep in mind this comes from early in development and featured all 22 players on field but in a practice environment with only running plays as Adrian Peterson. Enhancements to the blocking were the focus here but it seemed like the current gen version had already showed a lot of it and the physics and animations were somewhat familiar. Madden just didn’t “pop” the way the other next-gen games on display did.” I have a question for you football fans.. What makes you or anyone believe that EA & Tiburon can make a truly Next Gen Football game?? Now really think about it before you answer the question… Think about how madden has been riddled with issues for so long.. Think about how this Madden game is compared to other current or next gen games.. Think about how long it takes for them to implement “truly” new innovation or technology.. Think about how many producers have come and gone.. Think about how long they have messed with football gamers by adding Gimmicks instead of really improving the real issues that plagued madden.. Last one, and this to me has be the most important.. Think about how a smaller company by the name of 2k sports put outa football game called 2k5 almost 10 years ago, that’s right almost a DECADE ago, still has more & better animations then Madden current Gen & even that Next Gen demo released.. How is that even possible?? How?? Here’s one example: CB/WR Jostling or Oline/Dline interaction animations.. Madden still can’t compete in those two areas of animations with what 2k5 did 9 years ago! This company EA & Tiburon are just finally doing something close to what 2k did with the Oline/dline interaction on their Next Gen Madden??! Just now??! Something a company did almost a Decade ago?? Something is not right.. We want to believe this company can finally make the change, but the proof is in the pudding! How can you trust this company?? What's sad is that there is no other choice...

This is my gripe with where Next-Gen Madden currently stands. It really seems like a lackluster attempt by EA. They claim repetitively that they've been hard at work trying to recreate true football experience, but with a jump to more powerful systems I guess I was expecting them to have really put some effort into putting out a game that can match the new systems' powers. What I saw looked like current generation product.

I will say that I am excited to see that they have worked on blocking and line play for both generations. While I haven't seen how passing/pocket protection/pass rushing works, the run blocking looks to have made a significant improvement. I thought the blocking was pretty solid in '13, but it's great to see that they have worked to make the players smarter. Time will tell how this holds up.

I dunno man....It's hard for me to get hyped when I see so much of the same thing. Developers like Naughty Dog are putting out products that look, feel and emerge gamers into spectacularness. I don't get that same vibe when I pop in Madden, and I didn't get that vibe from that next-gen video either.

# 46 AussieChiefsFan @ 06/15/13 03:53 AM

Visually, the main improvement I've noticed so far is the colours. They look much more realistic and not as unrealistically vibrant.

# 47 Boilerbuzz @ 06/17/13 12:57 AM

For once, I'm going to defend EA a little bit. Just a little. No one can complain about how the current gen Maddens looked. The game was damned pretty graphically. So, to expect that much of an improvement from a gameplay camera seems a little unreasonable. The "XBox One" version of the game, was actually not using Xbox One hardware. It was on a PC. I do not believe that their next-gen graphics engine is just not ready to show. To me, it looked almost identical to current gen Madden. Now, I'll be the first to gripe that it took them NINE years to do something that that is fundamental to football. And I'm STILL waiting for fronts and coverages. But, the double teams blocking and the pockets looked fantastic and, to me, a positive step is a positive step. If they can clean up this Infinity engine bugs, I'll be cool with that. With that said, I did see some old issues pop up quite a bit. But it's too early. So we will see.

# 48 jpdavis82 @ 06/18/13 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xdfhhsdfhao


	The graphics didn't look much better than current gen?

No, I mean that looks like current gen right???

# 49 jpdavis82 @ 06/18/13 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xdfhhsdfhao


	The graphics didn't look much better than current gen?

LOL, of course they did, look at the post above you

# 50 Only1LT @ 06/18/13 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz


	For once, I'm going to defend EA a little bit. Just a little. No one can complain about how the current gen Maddens looked. The game was damned pretty graphically. So, to expect that much of an improvement from a gameplay camera seems a little unreasonable. The "XBox One" version of the game, was actually not using Xbox One hardware. It was on a PC. I do not believe that their next-gen graphics engine is just not ready to show. To me, it looked almost identical to current gen Madden. Now, I'll be the first to gripe that it took them NINE years to do something that that is fundamental to football. And I'm STILL waiting for fronts and coverages. But, the double teams blocking and the pockets looked fantastic and, to me, a positive step is a positive step. If they can clean up this Infinity engine bugs, I'll be cool with that. With that said, I did see some old issues pop up quite a bit. But it's too early. So we will see.

I have plenty bad to say about Madden's graphics, but I'll save that for another discussion.

And the fact that it is running on a PC is not an argument in the graphics' favor either, as it will not look as good on consoles, unless they were running it on a mid range PC, which absolutely never happens.

# 51 tha_show256 @ 06/18/13 04:42 PM

I just hope that they can get pass interference correct after all these years! 🙏

# 52 roadman @ 06/18/13 05:03 PM

People seem genuinely pleased over on the CFB forums.

I haven't seen that in a long time.

# 53 RnRexpress3423 @ 06/18/13 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tha_show256


	I just hope that they can get pass interference correct after all these years! 🙏

Doubt it man. When it does happen though we will know about it because EA will just announce it as a new feature.

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# 54 DirtyJerz32 @ 06/18/13 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RnRexpress3423


	Doubt it man. When it does happen though we will know about it because EA will just announce it as a new feature. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD

Just an FYI. Playing the demo of NCAA 14, I've had it called 3 times w/ out slider adjusting.

# 55 RnRexpress3423 @ 06/18/13 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 32


	Just an FYI. Playing the demo of NCAA 14, I've had it called 3 times w/ out slider adjusting.

Really? I've been working so I have yet to try the demo. That is very encouraging though. Thanks

# 56 DeuceDouglas @ 06/18/13 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I just played a couple games of the NCAA demo, can someone tell me why in that game the preplay adjustments are NOT a visual eye sore, popping up all over the place, like in Madden? Why can't Madden's preplay adjustments be defaulted that way?

I don't know but I can't believe it was someones idea to have the playart popping up, involuntary, pre-snap as the default.

On a side note, I'm a bit worried about the read option in Madden. After playing the NCAA demo, it seems all or nothing. You make the right read, it's a good gain. You make the wrong read, it's a loss of three. I've only played a couple games but it's been that scenario for me nearly every time.

# 57 ch46647 @ 06/18/13 06:22 PM

The turn around that EA has done with NCAA this year REALLY has me excited for Next-Gen M25. Current Gen NCAA was in the absolute gutter and somehow they turned it around in one year to become an excellent gameplay experience.

Just imagine what they can do with M25 Next-Gen starting with a clean slate, and the advertised improvements..

# 58 The_Rick_14 @ 06/18/13 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	Yeah that was pretty annoying, forgot to mention that, lol. Probably something done strictly for the demo to showcase the options reads or something, I don't expect it in the retail.

I believe the last two years play-art showing was the default in NCAA. Easily turned off on day one though never to be seen again.

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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas


	I don't know but I can't believe it was someones idea to have the playart popping up, involuntary, pre-snap as the default. On a side note, I'm a bit worried about the read option in Madden. After playing the NCAA demo, it seems all or nothing. You make the right read, it's a good gain. You make the wrong read, it's a loss of three. I've only played a couple games but it's been that scenario for me nearly every time.

I've had a couple of correct reads go for no gain. I will say I have yet to see a wrong read gain yards though unless it was a triple option.

# 59 The_Balm @ 06/18/13 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Rick_14


	I've had a couple of correct reads go for no gain. I will say I have yet to see a wrong read gain yards though unless it was a triple option.

Me too, not a lot, but it happens. Are the read option mechanics going to be same in Madden 25 as NCAA 14?

# 60 Only1LT @ 06/19/13 01:36 PM

I didn't get a chance to watch the IGN live demo until last night cause i was away for a few days last week. After having seen the demo... oh boy lol.

The game looks very much the same as current gen. Yes, there are more polygons on players. Yes, muscles look more defined. Yes, the lighting effects are better, etc, etc, but the game looks very much the same from an animation standpoint.

The animation is smoother, but it still hitches in its rendering. It is incomprehensible to me how, but it does. The running animation looks better. The player's running is more straight up and realistic and not so hunched over (at least AP's is), but it is still a little jerky, hitchy, plagued by marionette limbs, as the current animations we know and hate.

In addition, the animation cancels and branches into new ones in the most unrealistic ways, still. They still have this obsession with short interruptible animation transitions, realism be damned. There were several occasions where this happened. A couple I can remember were on Runs where the player avoidance, or what ever it's called, kicked in, and AP was about to leap over a player on the ground and instantaneously got a little off the ground and then landed in the blink of an eye and went into a canned tackle animation. There were other examples that were in that vein.

Ok, what ever you may think about Backbreaker's physics, the game did a lot right on current gen tech. I can understand though not wanting to go that route on the current gen. This is next gen. The systems are more powerful. If BB can work reasonably OK on last gen, why isn't EA going towards more physics based gameplay on next gen? Why is the game just as reliant on animation based tech as every gen before it? What's the point of Ignite if the game is virtually the same?

Don't get me wrong. The true step stuff looks very good when it kicks in, but that's my point. It has to kick in. It's like the game is built on current gen tech, but they layered some next gen tech in, so you have the game looking very much the same, then you change direction and it looks great, then it goes back to looking the same. It's like they took the easy way out... again.

I'm not giving up on next gen Madden yet (already given up on current gen though), but this is not a great first impression. I'll keep watching and see how the game progresses, but I'm not too full of confidence right now about the prospects of them finally getting it. If anything, I most unfortunately, think that my fears about Madden being a lost cause no matter how powerful the hardware they use to build it on, are starting to look very, frighteningly real.

Ugh

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