E3 2013: Madden NFL 25 Xbox One Hands-On

[Cutwolf]

Those complaining about the graphics on the first new madden on next gen consoles (which is essentially a port, since they didn't redesign the engine from the ground up for the new console, but focused on designing for those already with a huge install base) are either children or ignorant.

Go compare madden 06 to what we have now.

Of course, EA can be criticized for taking so long to get to a "next gen" level, but until we see if that holds up this go around, it's hard to fault them for next gen graphics that don't look much better than current gen when almost all launch games for both consoles have the same flaw.

[Cutwolf]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I was talking about the PC that they present games on at shows. They are high end PCs. That's why Battlefield looks so much better at a show than it does on your PS3 or 360. So I was saying that if you are using the excuse of it being shown on a PC to justify that it could look better on the PS4/One, that that is nonsense. It's already running on the highest end, or close to it, hardware that it could be running on. Furthermore, a PS4/One is technically a mid range PC. It's an 8 core SOC. It's not an Ivy Bridge CPU. It doesn't have a dedicated high end GPU. There's no Titan or even a GTX 780 inside of a PS4/One. Obviously the hardware is somewhat subsidized, but let's be frank. A Titan GPU costs $1000. The PS4 costs $399 and the One $499. A GTX 780 costs $650. How the heck is a PS4/One not a mid range PC when a high end graphics card costs more than the whole damned system? The only thing that is not mid range about the PS4 is that it uses DDR5 memory as opposed to DDR3. Now consoles are dedicated gaming solutions, so they don't have nearly as many processes running as a PC, so you can actually get better performance on a console with these specs than you could on a PC built with these specs, but make no mistake about it, as advanced as the new consoles are, they are by no means anywhere close to being high end PCs. Their architecture is more akin to a mobile device or laptop, than it is to a desktop PC.

You severely underestimate the benefits of optimization and how much further console's can go than their spec equivalent pc counterpart when a dev knows exactly what specs it's dealing with, and optimizes accordingly.

As someone who owns a pretty beastly PC that maxes most games out at 1440p, the graphical differences between what I'm seeing from, say, watch dogs on ps4 and what I usually get maxed out on my pc is not so big as to make much of a difference in determining which version I buy.

[The JareBear]

Graphics look good to me, I'm sure it's even better when playing it for yourself

[GiantBlue76]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but graphics don't concern me. I still prefer all pro football to madden and the graphics are nowhere near as good. It's not about graphics as much as it is movement and player interaction. Pretty graphics mean nothing if the game goes to crap once everything starts moving. If tiburon makes next gen madden with great player movement and proper football and physical fundamentals, I think we will all be a lot happier.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by GiantBlue76

Maybe I'm in the minority, but graphics don't concern me. I still prefer all pro football to madden and the graphics are nowhere near as good. It's not about graphics as much as it is movement and player interaction. Pretty graphics mean nothing if the game goes to crap once everything starts moving. If tiburon makes next gen madden with great player movement and proper football and physical fundamentals, I think we will all be a lot happier.

Exactly, the priorities for Madden this gen were completely out of whack, imo and hopefully next gen the focus is representing football processes first, graphics secondary. Not much I can say about M25 next-gen because for me next year is the big indicator. Where ever the focus is then will likely be a good indication of where the game is headed for the next 8-10 years. I going to be looking for coordinators/position coaches, practice squads, contract negotiation AI, new injury system, new penalty system, new ratings, full blown network style presentation including shows, new passing system, etc. With all this talk of more powerful and dev friendly consoles, next year should set the bar pretty high.

On the other hand, if they come out next year with something like the return of all the classic NFL teams or something like that, which while a good addition, should NOT be added before or in place of representing the NFL of today solidly, I'll quietly bow out.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cutwolf

You severely underestimate the benefits of optimization and how much further console's can go than their spec equivalent pc counterpart when a dev knows exactly what specs it's dealing with, and optimizes accordingly. As someone who owns a pretty beastly PC that maxes most games out at 1440p, the graphical differences between what I'm seeing from, say, watch dogs on ps4 and what I usually get maxed out on my pc is not so big as to make much of a difference in determining which version I buy.

I'm not underestimating the benefit of consoles being dedicated gaming solutions. I said as much in the comment that you quoted. That does not change the fact that in terms of hardware, the consoles are still nowhere near high end PC hardware.

There is no such thing as a high end PC that uses a SOC. There is no such thing as a high end PC that doesn't have a dedicated PCIE GPU.

I'm not knocking consoles. I'm getting one. It's just a statement of fact.

[ghettogeeksta]

Loving that next-gen Madden 25 camera angle, which I doubt will be in Madden 25 current gen, so hopefully you can adjust the cameras like in NBA 2K in next-gen M25.

[tfer717]

very excited about next gen... but watching the demo from ign... can we PLEASE get rid of those ridiculous end zone dives? at least tone them down. They look very NFL blitzy...