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2K Sports has just released the written breakdown of all 31 NBA 2K13 Signature Skills.

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Q: Why create these Signature Skills for 2K13 when you already have several attributes in 2K12?

A: We felt that our existing attribute and tendency system quite didn’t lend itself well enough to various situational moments that happen in basketball, nor did it help identify very specialized players. Outlet passes, winning charge calls, staying hot through in-game breaks, etc, are just a few areas where our attributes system failed to give you what you need. We’re now able to dig deeper into these situations to allow players stand out where they’re most known. Let’s take shot blocking for example. LeBron James is well-known as the best chase down blocker in the league. In 2K12, when you were in a chase down situation, LeBron was unable to block the shot from behind as much as we’d like him to because he had only a 60-ish Block attribute. With the inclusion of the new Sig Skill, Chase Down Artist, we’re now able to give him the types of skills he needs to embarrass the unsuspecting shooter, without having to artificially raise his Block attribute (which would then allow him to block shots in areas he’s not known for). There are reasons like this for every skill created, which is why we’re bringing this feature to you for NBA 2K13.

Here is a list of all 31 signature skills.
  • Posterizer
  • Highlight Film
  • Finisher
  • Acrobat
  • Spot Up Shooter
  • Shot Creator
  • Deadeye
  • Corner Specialist
  • Post Proficiency
  • Ankle Breaker
  • Post Playmaker
  • Dimer
  • Break Starter
  • Alley-Ooper
  • Brick Wall
  • Lockdown Defender
  • Charge Card
  • Interceptor
  • Pick Pocket
  • Active Hands
  • Eraser
  • Chase Down Artist
  • Bruiser
  • Hustle Points
  • Scrapper
  • Anti-Freeze
  • Microwave
  • Heat Retention
  • Closer
  • Floor General
  • Defensive Anchor
Read all of the NBA 2K13 Signature Skills details, on the official Tumblr page.

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# 161 Thunder Storm @ 09/02/12 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts18
Yea can someone give me some statistical backup/logic as to why Brandon Rush has a chasedown block signature?
Now, this I can understand. 2K sometimes hands out features like packages, skills etc. to players who don't quite deserve them. Although Rush is good at this technique.

This is where 2K Share comes in, this forum has a lot of expert roster creators that will fix some of the mishaps.
 
# 162 FLAWDAxBALLA954 @ 09/02/12 07:44 PM
People are really scared of getting crossed over wow lol for one not every player is going to have the ankle breaker SS and 2 whenever you play a team with a known ankle breaker on it (bulls, clippers, Celtics maybe rondo?) either way just pick the best match up. It aint that hard bruh bruh, You're making it seem alot worse than it is.
 
# 163 Colts18 @ 09/02/12 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz
For all you know - they probably got rid of the clutch rating. Maybe they nerfed clutch to have less of an impact in some situations. Who knows. Why don't you wait and find out?
You aren't listening to my point. There was no need to add a Clutch skill since we had a clutch rating. Now it is either, Yes/No, instead of a scale, which the ratings served. This skill was pointless and we already had a way to differentiate between clutch and ubclutch players.
 
# 164 Rdub33 @ 09/02/12 07:45 PM
[quote=Da_Czar;2044104174]These are quite simply an attempt to cover more of the intangibles in the sport. To make it worth putting player x in over player y. With all things let's get it and see what works and what doesn't and deliver the appropriate feedback.

NOBODY likes getting their shot smacked on national television. While not every player takes a mental break afterwards there are some that do on every level. It's a gameplay mechanic. So as an opponent knowing what the consequence is maybe I don't shoot that contested layup in the paint because I am aware of the consequences of a blocked shot so I pass out... All of the sudden we have a passive instance of shot blocker intimidation inserted into the gameplay.... That to me is progress. It's chess.. It's basketball.

Czar laying down logic per usual. With that said I think the majority of these SS are deeply rooted in basketball fundamentals.. The only two things that make me nervous are the ankle breaker and brick wall. Most nba players are defensively sound enough to not fall on the floor due to a crossover. Stumble,get off balance ? Sure... But fall to the floor?? All Antonio Daniels aside that is not very common. And with brick wall I want the option to go underneath or trail the screen without getting sucked into a dramatic floor hitting canimation.
In general SS sounds great but I am skeptical that some of this is to draw the casual aka clueless fan into the fold. Which I understand but still don't like
 
# 165 Colts18 @ 09/02/12 07:46 PM
Now I wonder if someone without Ankle Breaker or Chase Down block can perform those moves
 
# 166 RyanFitzmagic @ 09/02/12 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rdub33
Czar laying down logic per usual. With that said I think the majority of these SS are deeply rooted in basketball fundamentals.
There was nothing logical or fundamental about that at all.
 
# 167 RyanFitzmagic @ 09/02/12 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts18
Now I wonder if someone without Ankle Breaker or Chase Down block can perform those moves
Very good point, too. Kyle Korver got a chasedown block on LeBron once. He obviously shouldn't have the ability, but knowing 2K, anyone without Chasedown won't be able to block shots from behind in transition.
 
# 168 djwax90 @ 09/02/12 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2010.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html

Look at Defensive Efficiency. The Mavs did not get that much better with Chandler. They have good defensive coaching. They were better with MF-ing Erick Dampier than they were with Chandler.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2007.html

Who's ignorant now?
Wait, did you just try to throw a 2010 and 2011 comparison sheet at me for defense as if you were proving your point? For those who don't like hunting for the meat in pages like these:

STAT: 2010 --> 2011 league ranks
eFG%: 15 --> 9 (an improvement)
DRB%: 15 --> 7 (an improvement)
FT/FGA: 6 --> 3 (an improvement)
DRtg: 12 --> 8 (an improvement)

The only defensive team stat that decreased in league rank was the TOV%, which really only decreased by .6% overall.

You want to throw links in my face? How bout which switch gears from the stats (which you clearly were wrong about) to actual Dallas Mavericks testimonials?

Close your mouth and open your ears and listen to the Dirk, Terry, and Barea themselves.

Three in a row from 7:00 to about 8:00 -- HERE enjoy.

Case and point, Chandler deserves Anchor just as much, if not more than anyone else in the entire league.
 
# 169 nova91 @ 09/02/12 07:49 PM
The speculation and assumption train has officially run off the tracks.
 
# 170 Conda @ 09/02/12 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
There was nothing logical or fundamental about that at all.
What don't you understand?
 
# 171 Rdub33 @ 09/02/12 07:51 PM
The attributes get percentage upgrades so if Lin has a 75 steal rating and gets a 20% boost then that means he will have a 90 steal rating while that SS is activated. Whereas if mj has an 85 the same boost would make him a 100 (99) so the levels are written into the attributes. Feel me?
 
# 172 RyanFitzmagic @ 09/02/12 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by djwax90
Wait, did you just try to throw a 2010 and 2011 comparison sheet at me for defense as if you were proving your point? For those who don't like hunting for the meat in pages like these:

STAT: 2010 --> 2011 league ranks
eFG%: 15 --> 9 (an improvement)
DRB%: 15 --> 7 (an improvement)
FT/FGA: 6 --> 3 (an improvement)
DRtg: 12 --> 8 (an improvement)

The only defensive team stat that decreased in league rank was the TOV%, which really only decreased by .6% overall.
That's why I said to just look at Defensive Efficiency, which completely encompasses team defense.

THEY WERE BETTER WITH DAMPIER THAN CHANDLER. ERICK. DAMPIER.

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Originally Posted by Conda
What don't you understand?
I understand basketball. I also understand that shot-blockers deter slashers because they don't want their shot to get blocked, not because they'll lose the ability to shoot if they get their shot blocked.
 
# 173 Norris_Cole @ 09/02/12 07:53 PM
 
# 174 Boilerbuzz @ 09/02/12 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.
You went ALL the way back to 2007! Where Avery Johnson slowed down their pace! Completely different style of play. No comparison. Not to mention they played a different defense completely.

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It has everything to do with this, because coaches have more impact on defenders improving than defensive anchors do.
No one denies that! You're trying to say that players make NO impact and that's what's being argued. Not that they are more or less important than the coach and system.


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I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.
First, they DID get better with Chandler. Went from 15th to 10th in the league, giving up fewer points, blocking more shots and getting more steals! But the PLAYOFFS is where it mattered most where they were MUCH better than they ever were in the past. They shut down LaDouche and Miami in the finals! After he left, they were NOWHERE NEAR as good. Considering last year was a shortened season - where offenses weren't as efficient as a whole because of no preseason and fewer practices, I can see why the stats wouldn't show much of a difference.

Any more stats you want to throw out there? Go ahead. The bottom line is that you'll have a hard time finding a player OR COACH that doesn't believe in the principle of a defensive anchor. You think VC made this crap up for game reasons? Come on, dude.
 
# 175 Rdub33 @ 09/02/12 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
There was nothing logical or fundamental about that at all.
Oh but it was... If the logic is beyond your scope there is not much myself or da czar can do to bring it home for you.
 
# 176 JasonMartin @ 09/02/12 07:57 PM
CONCERNING THE OFF TOPIC CHANDLER/DALLAS/KNICKS DISCUSSION, CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SHUT UP AND PM EACH OTHER


Talk about being obnoxious...







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Originally Posted by Rdub33
The attributes get percentage upgrades so if Lin has a 75 steal rating and gets a 20% boost then that means he will have a 90 steal rating while that SS is activated. Whereas if mj has an 85 the same boost would make him a 100 (99) so the levels are written into the attributes. Feel me?
Kinda ridiculous no? That boost % is too high. We just have to wait and see.
 
# 177 DatGD12guage @ 09/02/12 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Norris_Cole
He appeared to be worthy of It in the playoffs.
 
# 178 RyanFitzmagic @ 09/02/12 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz
You went ALL the way back to 2007! Where Avery Johnson slowed down their pace! Completely different style of play. No comparison. Not to mention they played a different defense completely.
It doesn't matter. Erick Dampier still held down the paint like Chandler did, since it's his job as a center. If Chandler was so good at making his teammates better, there's no way a team with Dampier as its anchor should be nearly as good.

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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz
No one denies that! You're trying to say that players make NO impact and that's what's being argued. Not that they are more or less important than the coach and system.
I'm saying that players don't make defenders around them better. Because they don't. Coaches do. Players cover up other players' mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz
First, they DID get better with Chandler. Went from 15th to 10th in the league, giving up fewer points, blocking more shots and getting more steals! But the PLAYOFFS is where it mattered most where they were MUCH better than they ever were in the past. They shut down LaDouche and Miami in the finals! After he left, they were NOWHERE NEAR as good. Considering last year was a shortened season - where offenses weren't as efficient as a whole because of no preseason and fewer practices, I can see why the stats wouldn't show much of a difference.
Good thing they were still ranked 8th overall in 2012, just like in 2011.

You have no case. 8th in 2011 with Chandler, 8th in 2012 without him.

Case rested.
 
# 179 djwax90 @ 09/02/12 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
You have no case. I already proved that the Mavericks performed just as well defensively without Chandler as they did with him.
You have proved literally nothing so far. Not a single person has agreed with you yet.

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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz
There is FAR too much that goes into this, so you can't just look at 1 metric and draw some over-arching conclusion. Did they get better with Chandler? Yes.
Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Conda
@RyanFitzmagic Tyson Chandler makes his teammates better on defense in real life because he is very vocal. Watch the Knicks games and you will see he is constantly talking and directing players on where to be, what's happening, and what to do on defense. He's like a defensive coordinator out there. Just like a floor general on offense setting up the offense for the best scoring opportunity.
Exactly what he did with the Mavs.

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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.

I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
That's why I said to just look at Defensive Efficiency, which completely encompasses team defense.

THEY WERE BETTER WITH DAMPIER THAN CHANDLER. ERICK. DAMPIER.

Holy **** this is ignorant. You just managed to top yourself.

1. The defense didn't fall off in 2012 because Chandler had already instilled the defensive mindset and changed the culture. That isn't something that disappears when he leaves.

2. You just compared the 2007 Mavericks with the 2011 Mavericks without noting that those two teams only had THREE players in common. Not only did you try to do that (and fail, miserably) but you implied that the reason the Mavericks were better defensively in 2007 than in 2011 was solely because they had Dampier and not Chandler.

Are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Do you know what logic is? Like I said before, not a single person has agreed with you thus far, and no, you haven't proven anything. I've disproven you on every single front.

Go back to basketball-reference and read up, you could use it.
 
# 180 Boilerbuzz @ 09/02/12 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic
That's why I said to just look at Defensive Efficiency, which completely encompasses team defense.

THEY WERE BETTER WITH DAMPIER THAN CHANDLER. ERICK. DAMPIER.
Oh. That's it. Let's just look at the stat that supports your case and that stat only. Forget the conditions of the league and everything else that plays into certain stats. We'll just look at the one stat that measure a league wide trend instead of relative performance of players on the court.

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I understand basketball. I also understand that shot-blockers deter slashers because they don't want their shot to get blocked, not because they'll lose the ability to shoot if they get their shot blocked.
If you're not focused 100% on your shot, the chances of it going in go down. What do you want to call that? Because NOW, you into to semantics.
 


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