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FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

01:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

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# 1261 DCEBB2001 @ 07/22/14 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by charter04


	I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.

I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that.

BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

# 1262 michiganfan8620 @ 07/23/14 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that. BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

I don't see what's ironic. Haden covered number 1 WRs 65% of the time (more than most CB's), faced arguably the toughest WR slate in the league, never gave up a 100 yard game, 11 games under 50 yards, only gave up 2 30+ yard plays, and only 6 td's the whole year against him. He was top 10 in passes defended/ints per target last season.The guy played extremely well. You can't tell me Derek Cox has better technical skills, the guy was cut for a reason, he struggled. These "scouting people" you use don't have a clue if they don't see that. The only way to judge a corners coverage skills is to watch him face top WRs, and Haden was one of the best at stopping them.

# 1263 michiganfan8620 @ 07/23/14 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by charter04


	I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.

Wrong, they charge us $60 for the game not the ratings. The ratings are given out for free on the internet by EA as well. Id like more realistic ratings as well, I'm just pointing out that these are no better than EA's. Too many inconsistencies in this set, at least EA is consistently too high in their ratings.

# 1264 ggsimmonds @ 07/23/14 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that. BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

Well I am clueless. But my curiosity is off the charts.

# 1265 charter04 @ 07/23/14 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by michiganfan8620


	Wrong, they charge us $60 for the game not the ratings. The ratings are given out for free on the internet by EA as well. Id like more realistic ratings as well, I'm just pointing out that these are no better than EA's. Too many inconsistencies in this set, at least EA is consistently too high in their ratings.

But the ratings are useless without their game. Donny Moore gets paid. What does Dan owe you? He really doesn't have to explain anything.

If they are so bad then your waisting a lot of time on here.

If you want you could just make your own. Use the time your using Trolling this thread. Just saying

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# 1266 DCEBB2001 @ 07/23/14 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by michiganfan8620


	These "scouting people" you use don't have a clue if they don't see that.

This part right here makes it even more funny!

# 1267 DCEBB2001 @ 07/23/14 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by charter04


	Use the time your using Trolling this thread.

I may have to use a typical response for my email inquiries for people like this:

"Consider this my last communication to you in this regard, as attempting to explain anything further will only prove to be a waste of my time."

# 1268 DCEBB2001 @ 07/23/14 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ggsimmonds


	Well I am clueless. But my curiosity is off the charts.

Hey man, just read what he is saying and who he is saying it about. Then think what might be ironic about it. That is all I will say about that on a public forum. Off the record, I would explain it. In print, I just can't do it.

# 1269 michiganfan8620 @ 07/23/14 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	This part right here makes it even more funny!

How does that make it funny? Any scout who thinks Derek Cox is better than Joe Haden has no clue what he's talking about. A corner who struggled to cover WRs is better at man coverage than one of the best cover corners in the league. You act like this scouting department knows everything, and dismiss anyone else's opinions on a player. If you asked every single coach in the NFL who he'd want as a cover corner, all 32 would say Haden.

# 1270 Hooe @ 07/23/14 12:12 PM

Okay guys, it's clear there's an irreconcilable disagreement here. Drop it and move on from this discussion.

Thanks.

# 1271 michiganfan8620 @ 07/23/14 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	Okay guys, it's clear there's an irreconcilable disagreement here. Drop it and move on from this discussion. Thanks.

Ok that's fine with me, sorry I got the thread off base

# 1272 DCEBB2001 @ 07/24/14 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachOfTheYear


	Here's my biggest issue and please let me know if I'm completely off for saying this but if anyone can remember back in the Sega days when we played with Barry Sanders who is arguably one of the greatest position players in NFL history we totally believed that he was worth a 95 rating. This goes the same for Jerry Rice and other superstar players of that time. Does it not seem like we are boosting ratings at an astronomical rate. Marshawn Lynch is 95? You can't be serious. Russel Wilson at 93 is better then Vick in Atlanta in 2006? Can we all sit here and say that Clowney at 83 overall is better as a rookie then Posluszny, Dansby, Hawk, and Dameco Ryans in Madden 25? If Manziel was in that Top 10 rookie class I was going to throw up. At least they got that right. Who agrees?

I agree with that. That is one of the points of FBG Ratings - to get rid of that over-inflation. We don't give out 99 OVR ratings unless a player is truly worthy of it. Right now, not one player is rated 99. However, we must also work with in the box that is Madden's ratings system and OVR rating calculation.

I would actually prefer to rate players based on an equal-interval approach, this way there are only about 6 players rated 90+, 30 about 80+ and about 400 that are 70+. This is actually the most realistic way to mimic the data source.

# 1273 DCEBB2001 @ 07/24/14 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexly


	I miss having the OVR broken down into the list of attributes that comprise it, but I'd imagine that's on tap for the future... yourluxworld .co

You can determine what attributes affect the OVR in your game by simply raising/lowering each until the OVR goes up/down.

# 1274 mr_dukes @ 07/24/14 06:02 PM

How well does these ratings affect the game of madden realistically gameplay wise and where can I get them and how often are they updated? I'll be getting madden 15 next gen I skipped madden 25

# 1275 DCEBB2001 @ 07/24/14 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_dukes


	How well does these ratings affect the game of madden realistically gameplay wise and where can I get them and how often are they updated? I'll be getting madden 15 next gen I skipped madden 25

The effects on gameplay are often cited in this topic. If you have questions regarding specifics, both Charter04 and CM Hooe have played them out in the game...to very good reviews thus far. Check the rosters section of the OS forums for more info. The site is updated daily.

# 1276 DCEBB2001 @ 07/24/14 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachOfTheYear


	You're exactly right. This ratings thing is way off. A majority of NFL players are on an even playing field. The only sport I seeing have drastic ratings differences is 2K. Lebron is far better then Matt Barnes. For them to even have 5 RB's in the 90's is a joke. Unbearable laughter!

The data that drives the site illustrates that there are very few players actually worthy of a rating over 90. As in, less than 10 currently. What is even more important, though, is the distribution of the attributes. Apparently the difference, for instance, between a QB with great THP and an average one, is pretty wide, if the intervals between each point are the same in distance (linear regression). Using the true-mean method, where the average of the population is set to a point considered to be average (non-linear/polynomial) we find that there are 6 RBs rated 90+, but none over 93 at this point, which varies quite a bit from all of the 95+ rated RBs according to EA sports.

# 1277 DCEBB2001 @ 07/25/14 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HopiDesertPriest


	great rosters !! will your ratings be inputted into madden 15 - And if so, how soon after August 26th ?

That is dependent on 2 things.

1. How long it takes to crack the OVR formulas.

2. How quickly the community puts rosters together.

# 1278 azdawgpound @ 07/25/14 01:28 PM

we'll im having some weird results with these rosters.... I d/led the roster and I edited the browns to the fbg ratings and have use the browns against the teams cm hooe edited so far the nfc east.

so far my results are this 1st game I played I picked Browns vs Cowboys

42-17 browns win huge.... there was a total of 5 turnovers in game romo had 3 picks Manziel had 2 int's also a lot of injuries.

the problem was once the cowboys got turnovers they couldn't do nothing with them both int's by manziel resulted in 0 points.

meanwhile the 3 picks romo threw resulted in 21 points.

2nd game was Browns vs Redskins

now this game played a lot different it was a low scoring game infact at halftime it was only 10-7.

second half started I drive down field go up 17-7 and im thinking oh great another huge win.... the redskins took the ko after my td and Jackson returned it 90+ yards for a td 17-14.... manziel threw a crucial int but again redskins couldn't get nothing going resulting in only a fg 17-17 game on line im driving and tate gets tattooed and fumbles redskins get ball kick game winning fg... 20-17.

just played the 3rd game browns vs eagles

I score first on a 3 and out by eagles next drive for me results in a td 7-0 next drive for eagles foles get laided out by rubin, taylor goes out injuried wouldn't return in comes sanchez and he cant do nothing in fact he gets sacked and its a fumble browns recover return it to eagles 15... we score again 14-0 end of 1st.

finally the eagles come alive and finally reach the endzone 14-7... I would add a fg with 12 secs before half 17-7.

2nd half only score of the 3rd is a 1 yard manziel td run 24-7.... and that's the 3rd.

4th quarter

and again the eagles offense can't do nothing in fact sanchez is picked 6 twice in back to back drives making it 38-7.... finally the eagles get a fg before end of game 38-10 the final.

again a lot of turnovers 3 for eagles 2 ints 1 fumble, 2 ints for manziel.

I like how the game plays with these ratings I mean its hard to get yards running atleast for me I think I only had 1 100 yard game and that was in the game I lost to the redskins .

this last game I had 12 carries 48 yards avg 4.0 ypc and the cmp ratings for the qbs haven't been that high neither.

im just curious as to what kind of game im gonna have against the giants so far 2 huge blows outs 1 close game.

im playing on all pro with default settings except the only thing I lowered was int slider for cmp to 13 but even that low they still have gotten 5 ints in 3 games... 8 minute quarters.

# 1279 charter04 @ 07/25/14 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by azdawgpound


	we'll im having some weird results with these rosters.... I d/led the roster and I edited the browns to the fbg ratings and have use the browns against the teams cm hooe edited so far the nfc east. so far my results are this 1st game I played I picked Browns vs Cowboys 42-17 browns win huge.... there was a total of 5 turnovers in game romo had 3 picks Manziel had 2 int's also a lot of injuries. the problem was once the cowboys got turnovers they couldn't do nothing with them both int's by manziel resulted in 0 points. meanwhile the 3 picks romo threw resulted in 21 points. 2nd game was Browns vs Redskins now this game played a lot different it was a low scoring game infact at halftime it was only 10-7. second half started I drive down field go up 17-7 and im thinking oh great another huge win.... the redskins took the ko after my td and Jackson returned it 90+ yards for a td 17-14.... manziel threw a crucial int but again redskins couldn't get nothing going resulting in only a fg 17-17 game on line im driving and tate gets tattooed and fumbles redskins get ball kick game winning fg... 20-17. just played the 3rd game browns vs eagles I score first on a 3 and out by eagles next drive for me results in a td 7-0 next drive for eagles foles get laided out by rubin, taylor goes out injuried wouldn't return in comes sanchez and he cant do nothing in fact he gets sacked and its a fumble browns recover return it to eagles 15... we score again 14-0 end of 1st. finally the eagles come alive and finally reach the endzone 14-7... I would add a fg with 12 secs before half 17-7. 2nd half only score of the 3rd is a 1 yard manziel td run 24-7.... and that's the 3rd. 4th quarter and again the eagles offense can't do nothing in fact sanchez is picked 6 twice in back to back drives making it 38-7.... finally the eagles get a fg before end of game 38-10 the final. again a lot of turnovers 3 for eagles 2 ints 1 fumble, 2 ints for manziel. I like how the game plays with these ratings I mean its hard to get yards running atleast for me I think I only had 1 100 yard game and that was in the game I lost to the redskins . this last game I had 12 carries 48 yards avg 4.0 ypc and the cmp ratings for the qbs haven't been that high neither. im just curious as to what kind of game im gonna have against the giants so far 2 huge blows outs 1 close game. im playing on all pro with default settings except the only thing I lowered was int slider for cmp to 13 but even that low they still have gotten 5 ints in 3 games... 8 minute quarters.

That's because the pass coverage slider is the int slider. Sliders were really messed up and some even missable on next gen madden 25. Default all pro won't be difficult enough if your playing user v CPU no matter what rosters you use IMO

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# 1280 azdawgpound @ 07/25/14 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by charter04


	That's because the pass coverage slider is the int slider. Sliders were really messed up and some even missable on next gen madden 25. Default all pro won't be difficult enough if your playing user v CPU no matter what rosters you use IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

so should I try yours or would that make the game worst? I mean if I only adjusted one and im getting blow outs 2 of 3 games.

I used yours on ps3 and seem to get good games with them.

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