01:13 PM - September 5, 2010 by Steve_OS
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NBA Elite 11 News Post
01:13 PM - September 5, 2010 by Steve_OS
NBA Elite 11 Videos
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Simulation is the imitation of something real.
And this does not look like that.
And this does not look like that.
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so pick and role, iso and fastbreaks aren't sim enough for u lol// u can do the same thing in both games // depending on how u play // weather u call plays, call picks, or just break ur man down off the dribble to finish or drive and kick // its all sim because thats what nba players do//
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# 46
PRAY IV M3RCY @ 09/05/10 02:34 PM
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Once again, I have to admit that seeing the vids through broadcast cam really, really helps....but I still cannot get over the defensive stance deally. I ranted a bit about it last night (umm, blame it on the ah, ah-ah-ah...) but to be more precise about what I think is needed is that when a defender is in that low defensive stance, his lateral movement is dependent upon multiple things such as what the offensive player is doing his quickness, movement, yada as well as defensive player's own defensive prowess, quickness, lateral movement and length. Staying in that low defensive stance only lasts for so long if the offensive player decides to make quick moves and such.
So, basically, what is needed are body turning animations of the defensive player coming out of that stance and turning to run a long with the offensive player. Many a time, the defensive player is running sideways on an angle along with the offensive player with the off hand extended outward/upward to defend against a pass/shot . That has been SORELY needed in the Live/Elite series and is still not present in this Elite 11 game.
Same thing with offensive players staying in that low dribble stance for far too long. Erks the hell out of me.
Again, EA (reEAnimator, if you are reading), those types of things go a long way in lessening the robotic look of the players..
Also, the RTP are still not present to me. There was a dunk in this vid where two defenders were posterized with contact but the physical reaction was just not there. These dudes should have gone flying somewhere. Instead, just looks like they just landed on dimes as if nothing happened. Momentum is something that this game is definitely needing if the 2p animations are gone, now. Somehow that has to be incorporated with RTP.
All in all, it reminds of the Live series which I have been somewhat used to for the last few years. I really want to get a feel of this game with the controls. It may not be so bad plus this vid looks fast but it was already explained why. The last vid posted up here looked a bit slower which was good.
So, basically, what is needed are body turning animations of the defensive player coming out of that stance and turning to run a long with the offensive player. Many a time, the defensive player is running sideways on an angle along with the offensive player with the off hand extended outward/upward to defend against a pass/shot . That has been SORELY needed in the Live/Elite series and is still not present in this Elite 11 game.
Same thing with offensive players staying in that low dribble stance for far too long. Erks the hell out of me.
Again, EA (reEAnimator, if you are reading), those types of things go a long way in lessening the robotic look of the players..
Also, the RTP are still not present to me. There was a dunk in this vid where two defenders were posterized with contact but the physical reaction was just not there. These dudes should have gone flying somewhere. Instead, just looks like they just landed on dimes as if nothing happened. Momentum is something that this game is definitely needing if the 2p animations are gone, now. Somehow that has to be incorporated with RTP.
All in all, it reminds of the Live series which I have been somewhat used to for the last few years. I really want to get a feel of this game with the controls. It may not be so bad plus this vid looks fast but it was already explained why. The last vid posted up here looked a bit slower which was good.
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I'm not saying that this game will be "sim" either - I'm just defining it for myself here...it's like when you don't want to play a game so you "simulate" it for the results...that's "sim" to me...
I'm tired of these 101 intro to dunking videos. I want to see some boring cpu vs cpu gameplay. I want to see if the cpu play realistic. Or as i stated before give me teams w/ contrasting styles, some Spurs vs. Suns. If the user has to be in the video, take control of the slower paced team. Until the developers release something like this, the "arcade" comments will always be around. And also those comments about, "its how the user plays" determines it same will play sim or not. Well if that's case, i don't its smart for the developers to release videos playing the way they are. B/C one thing the video are not screaming is "Simulation".
I think this game is going to end up being a exploiters paradise. Very little D, and just weird movements from RTP. While it looks okay in places, the genericiticies are profound all throughout this vid.
Will edit.. after reviewing vid a few times.
Will edit.. after reviewing vid a few times.
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my magic never get any respect...and just an fyi i think we changed it but iam not sure but when did stuff "our mascot" turn blue???Yea thats a fact that we never get respect even after going as far as we did two straight years. Most dont realize but we were 4 free throws (hedo), and a all-opp layup away from leading that finals 3 games to 1 going into game 5.
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For example, until a patch came along for Live 10 the CPU would have the point guard stand and dribble for 10 seconds waiting for a specific play to set up...you could just walk up and steal the ball if you wanted to...that was terrible and a complete turn-off for me...
NO lie I counted 75 dunks unless my math skills is off even mike miller got a 40 inch vertical, watch the Miami heat will murder people online. Look like some fun arcade bball though nba jam 2011
Seeing Lebron operate and not resemble Lebron at all = ugly
The sliding in this game is really going to wear on me, stuff like 1:45, where Dwight takes 5 steps passing the ball, in a situation where the most a player can do is pivot. I get that the game thinks he started to dribble but the ball never touches the ground.
Same thing with Pietrus at 2:29, goes from half a foot over the line to 2 feet behind the line without a bounce. The whole "left stick moves your feet" thing doesn't work when it lets you move around without dribbling. It ties right in with that ugly animation for moving in the opposite direction of the hand the ball is in. Most of the sliding and traveling is a result of that animation. How do they decide that they're OK with that animation when they are initially putting this together? If most everyone is going to move the same, at least make them move right.
Stuff like that kills games quickly for me.
The sliding in this game is really going to wear on me, stuff like 1:45, where Dwight takes 5 steps passing the ball, in a situation where the most a player can do is pivot. I get that the game thinks he started to dribble but the ball never touches the ground.
Same thing with Pietrus at 2:29, goes from half a foot over the line to 2 feet behind the line without a bounce. The whole "left stick moves your feet" thing doesn't work when it lets you move around without dribbling. It ties right in with that ugly animation for moving in the opposite direction of the hand the ball is in. Most of the sliding and traveling is a result of that animation. How do they decide that they're OK with that animation when they are initially putting this together? If most everyone is going to move the same, at least make them move right.
Stuff like that kills games quickly for me.
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Not bad but I think I'm turning down the verticals as soon as I get the game. The blocked jumphsots remind me way to much of Live 09 and the players are getting up too fast on the dunks.
The jump should be a little slower to give them a more realistic feel and it'll cut down on a lot of the dunk on other players too. There should have been more contact on those dunks but the guys got up so fast the defender couldn't even react.
Overall its nice to see that transition game is alive and it looks like its going to be just as fun as last year to run the break. The Howard post move was nice too just wish it could have lead to some type of layup instead of a jumper.
The jump should be a little slower to give them a more realistic feel and it'll cut down on a lot of the dunk on other players too. There should have been more contact on those dunks but the guys got up so fast the defender couldn't even react.
Overall its nice to see that transition game is alive and it looks like its going to be just as fun as last year to run the break. The Howard post move was nice too just wish it could have lead to some type of layup instead of a jumper.
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Like ehh said, it'll be interesting to see how difficulties affect the game. It'll probably be the determining factor in the demo for whether or not I pick this up. Outside of fouls I don't care for sliders, but the game is supposed to be tuned for Superstar to have a sim experience.
Also, the hop step gather looks bad in large part because it's slow and the player gets pretty high. If it were just like that because the player does it that way or is athletic, OK, but everyone in the game will do it like that and it doesn't look good. I liked the dunk by Carter alot though.
Also, the hop step gather looks bad in large part because it's slow and the player gets pretty high. If it were just like that because the player does it that way or is athletic, OK, but everyone in the game will do it like that and it doesn't look good. I liked the dunk by Carter alot though.
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Greene_Flash03 @ 09/05/10 03:05 PM
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