05:26 PM - May 20, 2010 by Steve_OS
For those of you that had a hard time getting to the live chat on Madden NFL 11 run blocking improvements. We have posted the chat transcript here.
Madden NFL 11 News Post
05:26 PM - May 20, 2010 by Steve_OSFor those of you that had a hard time getting to the live chat on Madden NFL 11 run blocking improvements. We have posted the chat transcript here.
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Wait a minute, we're trolling now? Maybe you guys need to look at the vids again. Those guys aren't dropping back into zone coverage. They aren't doing anything. They're just standing there waiting to get blocked. Even after the running back has clearly passed the line of scrimmage, the defenders still just stand there.
To the ones saying it's because it's zone defense, are you serious? So we can't pick zone defense against the run now. I know it's not the best D against the run, but defenses do stop the run when in zone defense sometimes. Do you think great defensive teams like the Ravens are just good at guessing whether a team runs or not? That's what you all are suggesting. According to Madden if you pick a zone defense against the run, you're guys are gonna just stand there and get blocked. Get real!!
First, everyone was hollering that it was on rookie to show run blocking improvements. Then, after the guy who wrote the blog says it was on All pro, you still say it was on rookie. WTF? I think I believe the guy who did the blog over Ian. Nothing against Ian, I'm just saying that if the guy who did the blog says it was on all pro, it probably was on all pro. Now he may have tweaked some sliders or something like that, but I'm not gonna sit here, when he says he was playing on all pro, and then say well Ian says it's rookie lol.
Face it, the vid was bad, real bad for run defense. I don't care what anyone says. I trust my eyes over people's voices any day. My eyes saw that the defenders were just standing there waiting to get blocked. You can say whatever you want, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the people on these boards would agree with what I saw.
To the ones saying it's because it's zone defense, are you serious? So we can't pick zone defense against the run now. I know it's not the best D against the run, but defenses do stop the run when in zone defense sometimes. Do you think great defensive teams like the Ravens are just good at guessing whether a team runs or not? That's what you all are suggesting. According to Madden if you pick a zone defense against the run, you're guys are gonna just stand there and get blocked. Get real!!
First, everyone was hollering that it was on rookie to show run blocking improvements. Then, after the guy who wrote the blog says it was on All pro, you still say it was on rookie. WTF? I think I believe the guy who did the blog over Ian. Nothing against Ian, I'm just saying that if the guy who did the blog says it was on all pro, it probably was on all pro. Now he may have tweaked some sliders or something like that, but I'm not gonna sit here, when he says he was playing on all pro, and then say well Ian says it's rookie lol.
Face it, the vid was bad, real bad for run defense. I don't care what anyone says. I trust my eyes over people's voices any day. My eyes saw that the defenders were just standing there waiting to get blocked. You can say whatever you want, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the people on these boards would agree with what I saw.
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PantherBeast_OS @ 05/21/10 01:30 AM
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cubsball899 @ 05/21/10 02:09 AM
here's my question.... one of the guests asked the DEV a question about shifting the line, saying if he runs a toss left, and shifts the line to the left, will it leave the backside defense end unblocked.... the DEV responded with this:
Madden NFL Dev Team:
Offensive Line shifting is still in the game. This useful feature will not affect blocking match-ups. The same match-ups will occur regardless of the Offensive Line shifts made pre-snap.
Thursday May 20, 2010 4:30 Madden NFL Dev Team
4:30
my problem here, is what is the point of shifting your offensive line if it does not change blocking assignments???
in the words of Herm Edwards...
HELLO!
the guest who asked the question is running a toss left, and wants to shift his line left probably with the idea of leaving the backside defensive end unblocked because that end cannot really affect the play! the idea of of shifting the line is so you can free up an extra blocker on the side you're running the play to.
i can't be the only person who sees this....
the dev just told us that this "useful feature" won't work....
CHILD PLEASE!
please someone correct me if i'm wrong about this but when i'm playing and i see a linebacker walk up to the line of scrimmage, i'm shifting my offensive line over to his side with the sole purpose of changing blocking matchups so that he is accounted for
Madden NFL Dev Team:
Offensive Line shifting is still in the game. This useful feature will not affect blocking match-ups. The same match-ups will occur regardless of the Offensive Line shifts made pre-snap.
Thursday May 20, 2010 4:30 Madden NFL Dev Team
4:30
my problem here, is what is the point of shifting your offensive line if it does not change blocking assignments???
in the words of Herm Edwards...
HELLO!
the guest who asked the question is running a toss left, and wants to shift his line left probably with the idea of leaving the backside defensive end unblocked because that end cannot really affect the play! the idea of of shifting the line is so you can free up an extra blocker on the side you're running the play to.
i can't be the only person who sees this....
the dev just told us that this "useful feature" won't work....
CHILD PLEASE!
please someone correct me if i'm wrong about this but when i'm playing and i see a linebacker walk up to the line of scrimmage, i'm shifting my offensive line over to his side with the sole purpose of changing blocking matchups so that he is accounted for
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warrior7807 @ 05/21/10 02:11 AM
this is awesome. it seems like FINALLY, we will need to scheme for O and D lines.
Rather than building a team through skilled positions, we can build from the inside-out!
side note- Wouldnt "normal gameplay" be the difficulty that the game starts out in pre-adjustments made to anything? that is what i would think. Doesnt the game come as Pro as the default or "normal" diff? i wish he could have answered specifically, i swear these devs are programmed to answer questions by NOT answering questions. a one word answer in that case would have been all we needed...
Rather than building a team through skilled positions, we can build from the inside-out!
side note- Wouldnt "normal gameplay" be the difficulty that the game starts out in pre-adjustments made to anything? that is what i would think. Doesnt the game come as Pro as the default or "normal" diff? i wish he could have answered specifically, i swear these devs are programmed to answer questions by NOT answering questions. a one word answer in that case would have been all we needed...
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warrior7807 @ 05/21/10 02:17 AM
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cubsball899 @ 05/21/10 02:23 AM
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ain't that the truth lol
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cubsball899 @ 05/21/10 02:27 AM
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bingo... IMO it really speaks to their perceived intelligence of their consumer base... all that extra crap they put in there really makes it seem like they've been "coached up" to make sure they don't say anything...
wasn't it jerry maguire... the art of talking without actually saying anything... something like that
1. The Dev never actually said the videos are on All Pro, he gave a terrible generic answer so that he wouldn't admit that they were actually on Rookie.
2. We should not be able to shift the OLine on run plays, I'm glad they fixed this. The OLine should know who to block based off the D's alignment.
2. We should not be able to shift the OLine on run plays, I'm glad they fixed this. The OLine should know who to block based off the D's alignment.
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shttymcgee @ 05/21/10 07:24 AM
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I had 5 questions that were that did not get answered an I thought they were important. I'm not sure the mod knew what I was talking about, maybe that's why he didn't post them for consideration, I don't know. One of them went like this.
In previous versions of Madden/NCAA I could line up in I Tight, I normal and my opponent could like up in Nickel 33 or Dollar and stuff the run in the backfield. In real like I would attack this with an isolation and pretty much abuse it at will. Additionally, players have ran all coverage defense with only one man rushing or no man rushing, on the tourney scene called F@G defense, and they have been able to bust up the run game. What has been done in the run blocking to deal with these tactics?
My other question involved the FB.
In previous madden games the FB did not do a great job of picking up 2nd level blocks. Neither did he attempt to attach/double with a lineman to kick out edge defenders. What has been done to get the FB to be aggressive and pick up 2nd level blocks? What if anything has been done to get the FB to attach to a block by a lineman and have both of them drive a defender out or off the edge?
These were very important questions that highlight huge problems and they did not receive any consideration whatsoever.
In previous versions of Madden/NCAA I could line up in I Tight, I normal and my opponent could like up in Nickel 33 or Dollar and stuff the run in the backfield. In real like I would attack this with an isolation and pretty much abuse it at will. Additionally, players have ran all coverage defense with only one man rushing or no man rushing, on the tourney scene called F@G defense, and they have been able to bust up the run game. What has been done in the run blocking to deal with these tactics?
My other question involved the FB.
In previous madden games the FB did not do a great job of picking up 2nd level blocks. Neither did he attempt to attach/double with a lineman to kick out edge defenders. What has been done to get the FB to be aggressive and pick up 2nd level blocks? What if anything has been done to get the FB to attach to a block by a lineman and have both of them drive a defender out or off the edge?
These were very important questions that highlight huge problems and they did not receive any consideration whatsoever.
Very good questions LB, but probably far too involved and detailed for a live chat format.
I wonder if Play Recognition will keep a defender from taking that initial step vs. the counter the devs talked about, or if they recover faster
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NYyankz225 @ 05/21/10 02:24 PM
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huskerwr38 @ 05/21/10 07:23 PM
I got one question in about the WR blocking, but I wish that I would have asked about FB blocking instead now that I think about it as that is more important. I did ask the question that I knew wouldn't get answered, With all the videos of kickers at lineman in Madden 10, if I stick a kicker at guard, will he be able to block just as well as my starting guard in Madden 11. LOL...
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