06:59 PM - April 2, 2010 by Steve_OS
Gameinformer has posted their hands-on preview of Backbreaker.
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06:59 PM - April 2, 2010 by Steve_OSGameinformer has posted their hands-on preview of Backbreaker.
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I would ignore all the comments about AI in this preview because the user played in Arcade mode with a preview build. I'd wait till the demo or release to really judge the AI.
I also expect alot of first time Backbreaker players to struggle with the controls or having success being a player on the field. Backbreaker is a totally brand new football gaming experience. Very revolutionary. I dismiss any complaints from this area.
I also dismiss the presentation element because the game is still being tuned and tweaked and will be different than the build that is being previewed here.
The defensive aspect of this game sounds great. Love the revolutionary perspective of being a defensive player in this game. All the reviews of playing defense on these early builds have been positive.
The limitations when it comes to team editing isn't that bad. You can still create 32 teams with full player rosters and edit them to be anything you want in offline mode. I can create any teams and players that I want and use them in two seperate franchise modes.
The only real limitation is online and it's not that bad. Instead of having The New England Patriots logo with uniforms online. I have The N.E. Patriots logo with uniforms online. Instead of Tom Brady. I have T.Brady. It's not that big of a deal.
The areas that concern me are the limitation in editing players height, size and ratings. There seems to be some form of player rating system in this game but it's unclear to what extent. It sounds like you can alter your team's strengths and then decide how many gold players you have on your roster.
Overall, The reviewer Matt Bertz stated that he walked away with mixed feelings. Not exactly positive but not completely negative either. The proof will be in the pudding when the game is ready for the real previews and a demo.
I also expect alot of first time Backbreaker players to struggle with the controls or having success being a player on the field. Backbreaker is a totally brand new football gaming experience. Very revolutionary. I dismiss any complaints from this area.
I also dismiss the presentation element because the game is still being tuned and tweaked and will be different than the build that is being previewed here.
The defensive aspect of this game sounds great. Love the revolutionary perspective of being a defensive player in this game. All the reviews of playing defense on these early builds have been positive.
The limitations when it comes to team editing isn't that bad. You can still create 32 teams with full player rosters and edit them to be anything you want in offline mode. I can create any teams and players that I want and use them in two seperate franchise modes.
The only real limitation is online and it's not that bad. Instead of having The New England Patriots logo with uniforms online. I have The N.E. Patriots logo with uniforms online. Instead of Tom Brady. I have T.Brady. It's not that big of a deal.
The areas that concern me are the limitation in editing players height, size and ratings. There seems to be some form of player rating system in this game but it's unclear to what extent. It sounds like you can alter your team's strengths and then decide how many gold players you have on your roster.
Overall, The reviewer Matt Bertz stated that he walked away with mixed feelings. Not exactly positive but not completely negative either. The proof will be in the pudding when the game is ready for the real previews and a demo.
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CreatineKasey @ 04/03/10 09:28 AM
This preview didn't surprise me one bit. BB hid info for such a long time. I wondered why. Wouldn't they just be excited to share this revolutionary game with us? Well, now you can clearly see why nothing of depth was really ever discussed outside of the phenomenal physics system.
Crimsontide is hitting the nail on the head here. If it's between believing NM or the reviewer, I'm believing the reviewer at this point. I think he was still holding back some. You can tell he really didn't like this game.
Much like Crimsontide, there's a lot of shortcomings that I'm completely okay with: Editing issues, presentation, commentary, rating style, responsiveness (I preferred APF's lack in responsiveness), or difficulty running.
I'm not okay with AI weakness. From what I've saw in ALL previews until this point, the AI looked weak almost all the time. Rarely did I ever see "that defense was in a cover 2 zone and the safety made a phenomenal play". Instead on previews I see 3 defenders randomly mashed together and a WR catching a ball between them on a throw off the QB's back foot 30 yards downfield... on a frozen rope.
Remember, we can only control 1 player on defense and I guarantee there's a big lack of defensive adjustments we can make pre-snap. Because of that and the new camera view, we'll rely on AI EVEN MORE than we do in "God view" football games in the past. Let's say a guy can run deep passes and scramble for yards easily because of zones sagging so hard, and he can create that "lose-lose" situation consistently where you either cover a 10 yard out or pursue the QB. Without defensive adjustments we won't be able to contain the QB on the fly, for example.
I always said I'm okay with stuff as long as the gameplay is solid. I'm not seeing it or reading it. No way will I buy this week 1 unless I get a slew of improved gameplay and reviews saying otherwise. I try to be equally critical of all games I buy, EA made or not. BB doesn't get a free pass with me.
Crimsontide is hitting the nail on the head here. If it's between believing NM or the reviewer, I'm believing the reviewer at this point. I think he was still holding back some. You can tell he really didn't like this game.
Much like Crimsontide, there's a lot of shortcomings that I'm completely okay with: Editing issues, presentation, commentary, rating style, responsiveness (I preferred APF's lack in responsiveness), or difficulty running.
I'm not okay with AI weakness. From what I've saw in ALL previews until this point, the AI looked weak almost all the time. Rarely did I ever see "that defense was in a cover 2 zone and the safety made a phenomenal play". Instead on previews I see 3 defenders randomly mashed together and a WR catching a ball between them on a throw off the QB's back foot 30 yards downfield... on a frozen rope.
Remember, we can only control 1 player on defense and I guarantee there's a big lack of defensive adjustments we can make pre-snap. Because of that and the new camera view, we'll rely on AI EVEN MORE than we do in "God view" football games in the past. Let's say a guy can run deep passes and scramble for yards easily because of zones sagging so hard, and he can create that "lose-lose" situation consistently where you either cover a 10 yard out or pursue the QB. Without defensive adjustments we won't be able to contain the QB on the fly, for example.
I always said I'm okay with stuff as long as the gameplay is solid. I'm not seeing it or reading it. No way will I buy this week 1 unless I get a slew of improved gameplay and reviews saying otherwise. I try to be equally critical of all games I buy, EA made or not. BB doesn't get a free pass with me.
This preview does not concern me at all for one reason "Arcade Mode". I can put Madden 10 in right now and play on rookie mode and the A.I. will play just as poorly, I will hold it to completing less then 30% of it's passes and they won't score once. I'll throw and rush for over 300 each and score over 100 points. Hell I can even do it on All Pro with Madden 10.
No game plays like the Dev's intend it to on the easiest mode. I'm sure this game is better tuned for Pro mode , where things will be more realistic. If not oh well it will cost me $50.00 to find out. I'm not going to let this guy's opinion of what is essentially a training mode change my excitement for the game.
No game plays like the Dev's intend it to on the easiest mode. I'm sure this game is better tuned for Pro mode , where things will be more realistic. If not oh well it will cost me $50.00 to find out. I'm not going to let this guy's opinion of what is essentially a training mode change my excitement for the game.
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This is a tough review,you have to remember though that this was played on arcade mode.
The sad thing is that this game looks like it has so much potential and might have a good foundation and even if it has these problems, but just wont have chance to have a sequel.
Madden 06 sucked, Madden 07 sucked and Madden 08 sucked. It took them three games with a bigger developer team get a good/decent game out (09 IMO). The sad thing is that BB is only going to get once chance, its sad.
The sad thing is that this game looks like it has so much potential and might have a good foundation and even if it has these problems, but just wont have chance to have a sequel.
Madden 06 sucked, Madden 07 sucked and Madden 08 sucked. It took them three games with a bigger developer team get a good/decent game out (09 IMO). The sad thing is that BB is only going to get once chance, its sad.
Don't care what any journalists have to say about the game, I'm still getting it day one to support the developers.
No doubt this game will have some flaws, but so did NFL 2K when they first started out on the Dreamcast.
No doubt this game will have some flaws, but so did NFL 2K when they first started out on the Dreamcast.
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Now I understand that the game isn't out yet but its only a month until release time, so how much can they improve before they have to ship the game. How can you make an AMERICAN FOOTBALL game wiith no challenges, penalties, or commentary. C'MON MAN.
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DirtyJerz32 @ 04/03/10 12:29 PM
Doesn't sound to good. I hope that's not the case. It's the first game out so we'll see what happens.
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A football game not made by EA needs to take the time to get things right.There's only one chance.This is what aggravated me about 2k8 where the gameplay was very good but everything else was bad.These devs had a lomg time to get this right.Even the simple decisions were botched(player size,uni's,visors and apparently gameplay elements).
I think everyone should try this game out but putting down $50 blindly at this point is another story.
I think everyone should try this game out but putting down $50 blindly at this point is another story.
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TheWatcher @ 04/03/10 04:44 PM
^^^ I get the impression that this wasn't going to be a game at one point. It looks like that changed course and they wound up on a no-turning-back road.
I don't think the preview was brutal for no reason. It just felt like the writer wanted to love the game but he just couldn't get past some things. He didn't sound like an NFL-or-bust guy, he just didn't love what he saw.
I'm still buying this day one, so it wouldn't have mattered what the preview said. I bought APF new, I'm buying this new, Tecmo Bowl Throwback, and I just got BCFX new not too long ago (which is fun despite its issues). I'm supporting whatever comes out with the understanding that these games are going to have holes, but I'm looking for the positives. I'm not telling anyone to buy or not to buy, that's not my decision to make for others. However, when we don't buy we actually don't help the market issue at all. I want this thing to open back up again and for there to be more choices than just Madden for Pro Football. Buying other football games is the only way to make other companies take notice and want to throw their hats in the ring.
I don't think the preview was brutal for no reason. It just felt like the writer wanted to love the game but he just couldn't get past some things. He didn't sound like an NFL-or-bust guy, he just didn't love what he saw.
I'm still buying this day one, so it wouldn't have mattered what the preview said. I bought APF new, I'm buying this new, Tecmo Bowl Throwback, and I just got BCFX new not too long ago (which is fun despite its issues). I'm supporting whatever comes out with the understanding that these games are going to have holes, but I'm looking for the positives. I'm not telling anyone to buy or not to buy, that's not my decision to make for others. However, when we don't buy we actually don't help the market issue at all. I want this thing to open back up again and for there to be more choices than just Madden for Pro Football. Buying other football games is the only way to make other companies take notice and want to throw their hats in the ring.
The previewer seems to want everything to be like madden. That's not what I want at all. Having to go through a progression on pass plays and not being able to see the whole field is one of the things I'm most excited about. Having my players react to running into each other instead of skating in place is better in my opinion. This guy just wants the game to be about stick skills, I want it to be like football.
you gotta be kidding me
no sharing of rosters like NCAA or NBA 2k locker
so each person will have to edit his own stuff
no luxory of jus waiting for dedicated dude to upload his wonderfully updated roster
noooooooooooooooo
whyyyyyyyyyyy
smackdown vs raw takes too much out of me as it is creating players,
im not tryna create a whole damn league
i'd spend more time editing then playing
no sharing of rosters like NCAA or NBA 2k locker
so each person will have to edit his own stuff
no luxory of jus waiting for dedicated dude to upload his wonderfully updated roster
noooooooooooooooo
whyyyyyyyyyyy
smackdown vs raw takes too much out of me as it is creating players,
im not tryna create a whole damn league
i'd spend more time editing then playing
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unless we find a way to download or share edited rosters from the community i`ll be playing default rosters, IF, i decide to buy the game... still need more info. Because the latest preview left me a very bad taste.
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my last hope is that all these left out options and features are jus left out of "arcade" mode and put in pro mode and the rest is being put in the game right now
if not,they lost me
i will still buy the game tho...used at gamestop or off amazon
"Speaking of refereeing, this aspect of the game sorely needs some tweaking. Several blatant pass interferences went uncalled, including one play were the defender knocked down the receiver before jumping up to make an interception. My quarterback also received a few false start penalties for gesturing toward the defense."
a defender jus raping a WR and no flag!!!!!!
damn,
EA had to pay this dude megabucks or something
Breaking Down The Modes
To preserve the behind-the-back defensive camera angle from the single-player game, Backbreaker handles multiplayer via splitscreen. Given the up-close camera angles the game employs, the action can look very cramped on one screen. If you want to get the full Backbreaker experience with a friend, competing online is the way to go.
The majority of Backbreaker players will spend most of their time in the Season and Road To Backbreaker modes. Season mode allows players create a custom 8, 16, or 32-team league that features player scouting and drafts between seasons. Natural Motion said much of this mode is still being tweaked so I didn't delve too deeply into the mode, but I did notice there wasn’t an option for making player trades, a peculiar omission.
Road to Backbreaker is structured more like the English soccer leagues, where your team starts in a bottom tier league and can advance to more competitive leagues by placing first. As with player transfers in soccer, the only way to build your team in this mode is to purchase new talent from a free agency pool with credits you earn by winning games.
To show off its impressive tackling animations, Backbreaker also features a Tackle Alley minigame that places you in control of a running back who must score touchdowns against increasingly larger waves of defenders.
My first hand-on time with Backbreaker left me with mixed impressions. While the variety of tackling animations is quite impressive, the skill players should be refined so they feel more agile, the passing needs to be tweaked so players can cycle more quickly between receivers while under pressure, and a few camera tweaks would go a long way to making perspective transitions less damaging. Natural Motion still has time to make refinements before the May 25 release, so there is still a chance that the team will address some of these issues.
a defender jus raping a WR and no flag!!!!!!
damn,
EA had to pay this dude megabucks or something
Breaking Down The Modes
To preserve the behind-the-back defensive camera angle from the single-player game, Backbreaker handles multiplayer via splitscreen. Given the up-close camera angles the game employs, the action can look very cramped on one screen. If you want to get the full Backbreaker experience with a friend, competing online is the way to go.
The majority of Backbreaker players will spend most of their time in the Season and Road To Backbreaker modes. Season mode allows players create a custom 8, 16, or 32-team league that features player scouting and drafts between seasons. Natural Motion said much of this mode is still being tweaked so I didn't delve too deeply into the mode, but I did notice there wasn’t an option for making player trades, a peculiar omission.
Road to Backbreaker is structured more like the English soccer leagues, where your team starts in a bottom tier league and can advance to more competitive leagues by placing first. As with player transfers in soccer, the only way to build your team in this mode is to purchase new talent from a free agency pool with credits you earn by winning games.
To show off its impressive tackling animations, Backbreaker also features a Tackle Alley minigame that places you in control of a running back who must score touchdowns against increasingly larger waves of defenders.
My first hand-on time with Backbreaker left me with mixed impressions. While the variety of tackling animations is quite impressive, the skill players should be refined so they feel more agile, the passing needs to be tweaked so players can cycle more quickly between receivers while under pressure, and a few camera tweaks would go a long way to making perspective transitions less damaging. Natural Motion still has time to make refinements before the May 25 release, so there is still a chance that the team will address some of these issues.
# 59
mgoblue678 @ 04/03/10 09:10 PM
You guys do realize a USB flash drive could probably be used to download somebody else's roster if the game doesn't give you a way to share them. Unless of course they block that option as well.
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