NHL 2K10 News Post
12:36 AM - August 22, 2009 by hdaniel1
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# 2
Uncle Stumpy @ 08/22/09 09:29 AM
Last year for the first time ever (2k9) I didn't even touch the game, it was all about EA. I MIGHT rent this just to compare. The only thing 2K has consistently beaten EA is in the franchise mode area.
I'm amazed at how they can butcher their cover athlete so bad but make the other players look solid.
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Now that's what arena's should look like. It's going to a joy playing on the road this year. So many things to see and hear. I hear EA NHL 10 still has generic arena's. If that's true they should be ashamed. What is this year 19? of the EA series and still no true arena's or atmosphere. Another reason why that game is only a rental for me year after year. NHL 2K10 is going to be a fun and exciting game. It's pretty obvious how much VC has upgraded their product this year.
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"The size of the presentation and gameplay "teams" is still a resource allocation decision. We can't have our cake and eat it too.
There were presentation improvements (e.g. crowds, to mention an obvious one), they are just in proportion to the investment we made there."
I am sure the NHL2K team faces similar budget restraints, it is possible that they chose to concentrate on arenas over everything else. I'd guess that this is a possibility considering that their stick models have not changed since NHL2K3.
Here, I will even give you a side by side...
We could sit around a nitpick all day...complaining is a great way to evoke reaction and get attention OR we could make the best of what we have. I understand that it is your right to express your opinion and I think it is great that you so freely do so. In that same vein, your comment was not opinion inasmuch as it is slander. Could you provide the message board with the financial statement from EA Sports NHL franchise? I'd be interested to examine the profit margins, considering they are rolling in the dough, due to the fact that they haven't "upgraded the games' presentation and arenas in four years." Madden 09 sold 2.38 million copies for the XBOX 360 in the US last year...NHL 09 sold 0.52 million copies on the XBOX 360 in the US last year. Here is my source. The fact remains that no game will ever be perfect and we are lucky to have two manufacturers making hockey games, something that NFL and MLB fans cannot experience. And if we conclude that budget is determined by sales, we could hypothesize that Madden's budget is roughly five times as large as the NHL budget. Considering the product that the EA Sports NHL team puts out at 1/5th the budget, I'd say we are extremely fortunate. I'd guess that the 2K team operates at a similar budget and their product is admirable as well.
Ultimately, I do not see how your comments are productive. What exactly are you trying to convey? That big companies like EA Sports do not give a crap about their customer and are only focused on the bottom line? If so, let me congratulate you for stumbling upon this epiphany!
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On that note, other than arenas, can you honestly say that NHL2K has better presentation than any of EA Sports games? The biggest knock on EA Sports before Peter Moore took over was that they get away with horrendous gameplay by making everything look pretty. Like Baa said above, the NHL2K player models are pretty bad. If you look closely at the two pictures in my previous post, the players don't even look THAT much different, save for the new sheen on the 2K10 graphics and the incorporation of player faces and high definition. The player models is one of the reasons I cannot stay interested in NHL2K. I can't get into it. You could draw a parallel to the FIFA/Pro Evolution dichotomy on the PS2. FIFA had all of the licensed teams and looked fantastic, but played like mud. Pro Evo on the other hand had few team licenses but the gameplay engine was unreal, plus you could customize everything. If 2K's gameplay was above and beyond NHL, then perhaps I could give it more time, but truth be told, it is not. It is unfathomable that they still have not moved shooting to the Right Stick. EA made an innovation there and hit pay dirt, there is no shame in copying.
And back to your original point, I would imagine the "pick up and play" factor is huge to game sales. I think this makes NHL10 even more appealing when you consider how much customization they have provided this year. Want to play a video game that tries to mimic real life hockey? Great, adjust the settings to Hardcore/Superstar, after that, if there is something you don't like, adjust the sliders. Want to play a fast, end to end, high scoring, hard checking game of arcade hockey? Great, adjust the settings to Rookie/Casual.
I understand that people have different preferences and that they may enjoy and have a higher priority for certain things. That is great and what makes the ability to choose fantastic. I start taking issue when people start to lose focus on what this is all really about, having a fun time.
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So, yes, you are right. Thank you for restating was Redshirt_EA has already made clear. Whoever is in charge of allocating resources ("for the past four years") has not been heavily investing in presentation. Awesome.
Yes we are. I could care less about EA's sales numbers. Their game doesn't appeal to me and that is all that matters. EA has a cult following and that's what I attest a lot of their games popularity to. How on earth EA NHL won 12 awards last year is mind boggling considering it just added a few things to NHL10 that 2K9 had already. It looks like 2k has stepped up in all areas of their game (at least from the vids) and EA has yet to do the one thing that draws me to a game and that would be to upgrade their horrendous presentation. Sales numbers? blah blah blah. Doesn't mean a thing to someone who doesn't like their product.
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And regarding sales numbers, I was not trying to make a case that because EA has better sales numbers they have a better game. I was trying to demonstrate to Baa that, from a fiscal standpoint, given limited funds to allocate each year, EA's decision to invest more heavily in gameplay has paid off, due to their overwhelmingly positive sales numbers compared to 2K, who according to some, has a better presentation.
I am happy that the 2K game appeals to you and hope you get enough enjoyment from it to justify your purchase. The reason I posted a couple of times in this topic is because I took issue with careless comments that displayed nothing but unabashed vitriol for seemingly no other reason but to hate. I am no loyalist by any means. I will give the 2K game a chance, like I do every year, when the demo comes out. Additionally, I do not think I am defending a particular company. I think I am making certain individuals aware of careless statements they make, in order to promote fair, intellectual discussion on a hobby we all enjoy.
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You say EA spent no money on arenas.. what about 2k spending money on good commentary?
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# 19
bad_philanthropy @ 08/22/09 07:57 PM
I'll get both (Never a bad thing to give support to a developer making a hockey game anyway. While I've always thought the 2k goalies looked goofy, it didn't stop the game from being my preference for several years. Game looks beautiful, and the developer blogs have me intrigued.
The key impressions that I'll be waiting for is if everything as far and franchise mode goes, works. I'll be keeping a close eye on the impression here and at 2khockey.net upon release and might go with the two games this year. From how much I enjoyment I got out of the series for year, it looks like now it deserves another shot from me.
The key impressions that I'll be waiting for is if everything as far and franchise mode goes, works. I'll be keeping a close eye on the impression here and at 2khockey.net upon release and might go with the two games this year. From how much I enjoyment I got out of the series for year, it looks like now it deserves another shot from me.
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