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Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 Demo Available, Impressions Here

07:43 AM - October 2, 2008 by RoyceDa59

The Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 demo is available, please post your impressions here.

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	"Just played like two games, and I must say that it is definitely better than 08 (but that really isnt hard). It is harder to score, passing is more smoother, the player pacing is better, but the player animations are a little weird at times, but at least the game is playable this year."

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# 21 blackpuppy @ 10/04/08 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by taiketsu


	I came away very impressed with the FIFA 09's feature set, improved gameplay, and animations - so initially, the PES demo felt underwhelming. 3 games into the PES demo, I realized I was having a lot more fun with this than FIFA. When I score a goal in PES I still want to get up and dance, but for some reason that sentiment isn't shared when it comes FIFA. Anybody else feel that way? Perhaps I haven't given FIFA enough of a chance, but it's difficult to get into with 2 minute halfs. Despite the jerky animations(at least in comparison to FIFA,) PES's animation has still improved - just not as much as I hoped. The most noticeable change, though, is the AI. As mentioned earlier by another poster, it really feels as if players are promptly moving into positions they ought to be in.

I absolutely despise the net in Fifa. When you score it's like hitting a wall, absolutely no give.

# 22 BROman @ 10/04/08 06:09 PM

this would have been a good game 3 years ago, but w/ the advancements that fifa has made, pes really needed to make a truly next-gen title. imo they have not. the graphics are cartoonish & more importantly, the controls are very clunky- not upgrading the 8 direction movement is dissapointing.

# 23 Fenrir @ 10/04/08 10:11 PM

After reading this thread I thought I'd be horribly disappointed. But I'm actually really happy with the upgrades they've made this year to the PC version.

I love the look of the menus and the pace is MUCH improved. Also the AI was playing REALLY WELL in my short time playing. And by AI I mean CPU and User-team AI. Players on my team were actually trying to cut into passing lanes and were chasing loose balls instead of standing around watching the other team run around. And the CPU did a much better job of staying disciplined and cutting off runs without resorting to becoming superhuman defenders.

Compared to the FIFA 09 demo for PS3, I must say I'm liking the PES 2009 for PC ALOT more.

# 24 rsnomar05 @ 10/04/08 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenrir


	After reading this thread I thought I'd be horribly disappointed. But I'm actually really happy with the upgrades they've made this year to the PC version. I love the look of the menus and the pace is MUCH improved. Also the AI was playing REALLY WELL in my short time playing. And by AI I mean CPU and User-team AI. Players on my team were actually trying to cut into passing lanes and were chasing loose balls instead of standing around watching the other team run around. And the CPU did a much better job of staying disciplined and cutting off runs without resorting to becoming superhuman defenders. Compared to the FIFA 09 demo for PS3, I must say I'm liking the PES 2009 for PC ALOT more.

I agree completely. I am liking FIFA, but I think PES still has the crown. I love how excited I get after scoring a goal, because it seems like a true accomplishment, whereas in FIFA I don't get that feeling.

# 25 RoyceDa59 @ 10/05/08 10:33 AM

You know honestly the more I play the demo the more I like this game. I agree scoring in this game feels more rewarding. It is a tough choice this year Fifa does some things better PES does certain this better. I love the PK system in Fifa versus PES.

# 26 hustlin @ 10/05/08 11:05 AM

It's definitely a tough choice this year. Fifa in my opinion has made massive strides in the gameplay department. However, I still feel as though PES has the crown, but only by a slight margin. I actually prefer the PES graphics over the FIFA

. Especially the on field graphics. It just looks...clearer, crisper....better. This may not be the year that FIFA triumphs, but if EA keeps advancing like they've been doing over the last few years, they will definitely take it in 2010. PES needs to quit recycling their product and make some "real" improvements to stay on top.

# 27 rsnomar05 @ 10/05/08 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steveeee


	I haven't played the demo yet... because I get an install error when installing the demo on the PS3.. but I highly doubt the gameplay is anything like RTWC 06 lol

No, it's way way way better. Given that Pro Evo at the time destroyed RTWC 06 and has only gotten better, that is not an accurate statement.

It's going to be interesting to see which one I play more in the long run, but I find myself playing the Pro Evo demo more than FIFA.

# 28 PeruvianPlaya954 @ 10/05/08 02:03 PM

Did the demo come out for the American Playstation Networks, or do I still have to switch it to a "British Address"?

# 29 BROman @ 10/05/08 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PeruvianPlaya954


	Did the demo come out for the American Playstation Networks, or do I still have to switch it to a "British Address"?

i didn't see it in the us store, but i haven't looked since thursday, so i guess the uk address is your best route, unless the us store was updated.

# 30 Peji911 @ 10/06/08 03:19 AM

I dont know how someone can come on here and still claim FIFA is better. I play FIFA every night because I love soccer games, but again, FIFA is FIFA. I think people only claim FIFA is getting sooo much better cause it was soooo bad that anything decent makes it look great. Every FIFA has a money play and this year is like the last and the year before that, and that, and that.

People complain Seabass didnt put in enough effort. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Let me get this straight. You have a Ferrari, then the Ford makes a nice sports car, and because its miles better than the Mustang, you can it to be better than the Ferrari?

This is a joke. I love soccer so I will always buy FIFA first since it comes out first, but there is no way that, if you love a TRUE simulation of SOCCER, then PES is the one. FIFA is holding me just fine, but Im not looking for an arcade game.

# 31 RoyceDa59 @ 10/06/08 12:29 PM

Even though I really like the PES franchise it hasn't made any great strides. Why did they add a Champions League mode when they still don't even touch the Master League which has been the same for years. I am happy that they finally decide to bring the NA version months earlier this year because previously it was disgusting.

# 32 therizing02 @ 10/06/08 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peji911


	I dont know how someone can come on here and still claim FIFA is better. I play FIFA every night because I love soccer games, but again, FIFA is FIFA. I think people only claim FIFA is getting sooo much better cause it was soooo bad that anything decent makes it look great. Every FIFA has a money play and this year is like the last and the year before that, and that, and that. People complain Seabass didnt put in enough effort. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Let me get this straight. You have a Ferrari, then the Ford makes a nice sports car, and because its miles better than the Mustang, you can it to be better than the Ferrari? This is a joke. I love soccer so I will always buy FIFA first since it comes out first, but there is no way that, if you love a TRUE simulation of SOCCER, then PES is the one. FIFA is holding me just fine, but Im not looking for an arcade game.

You might be surprised by FIFA when you get it. Comparing 06 to 07 is an apples and oranges type of thing. As is 07 to 08 and believe it or not 08 to 09.

This game is so much different/better than 08 that I think most will be pleasantly surprised....and I've been a PES guy forever! BTW, I'm not saying the game is perfect either.

I'm not sure what "money' play you could be referring to in '09 unless you have an early copy in Canada. Have you played the game?

# 33 Peji911 @ 10/06/08 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PodSquad


	What a terrible analogy. If anything its like Madden, they keep putting out the same game and people still lap it up and beg for more.

Which game are you saying is like madden... fifa?

And its a very good analogy. PES is Amazing, ie, a ferrari. FIFA is good but just good, ie a Mustang.

A ferrari, like PES, doesnt need to improve much, whereas FIFA did and has... but its still a Mustang.

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Originally Posted by RoyceDa59


	Even though I really like the PES franchise it hasn't made any great strides. Why did they add a Champions League mode when they still don't even touch the Master League which has been the same for years. I am happy that they finally decide to bring the NA version months earlier this year because previously it was disgusting.

People who love ML, LOVE ML. And they have made "changes", just small ones. I agree that more could be done but why when, in essence, you dont have enough teams licensed to make it worthwhile? For example, they could have a real 20 team league with the bottom feeders. Well, they dont have the second division of any league, so its pointless. The general setup of ML is perfectly fine for what it is.

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Originally Posted by therizing02


	You might be surprised by FIFA when you get it. Comparing 06 to 07 is an apples and oranges type of thing. As is 07 to 08 and believe it or not 08 to 09. This game is so much different/better than 08 that I think most will be pleasantly surprised....and I've been a PES guy forever! BTW, I'm not saying the game is perfect either. I'm not sure what "money' play you could be referring to in '09 unless you have an early copy in Canada. Have you played the game?

I know it has improved drastically, but just because FIFA has taken big steps and PES hasnt doesnt mean its a better game. It's like Man U and Man City. This year City took HUGE steps and on paper you're like, 'wow' but one or two changes that Man U made still make them a better team because they didnt have to take that big a step because they're already a good team.

I own the Wii version, which is absolutely horrible (stupid FIFA stuff like not being able to choose a high or low is annoying and the AI always chooses the dumbest choice). And I have the PC version.

While Canadian, I have been living in Australia for about a year and will until late November. So I have their versions of the game and have had them for a while -- they break street dates here.

# 34 RoyceDa59 @ 10/06/08 06:36 PM

You know I didn't even notice the 8 player direction movement until the next gen versions. I remember playing Pes 6 at a friends house on his 360 and I was wondering why they moved like that. Nevertheless, I want back to the PS2 version, if I still had that game I would still play it, no joke.

# 35 therizing02 @ 10/06/08 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Peji911


	I own the Wii version, which is absolutely horrible (stupid FIFA stuff like not being able to choose a high or low is annoying and the AI always chooses the dumbest choice). And I have the PC version.

Ahh. That's the problem right there. Those versions are boring and they are still current gen. If your comparing PES to that then you're spot on.

I understand what you're saying about how FIFA gets more praise because they had bigger changes to make so, they're more obvious. I even said the same thing in a few posts last year. If it wasn't for the fast game speed I would have preferred PES over FIFA for all of the reasons I have the previous years.

For 09, you should compare both next gen versions and you'll be surprised. The new collision system, player movement, many many more animations and, last but not least, the Custom Tactics FIFA 09 may finally overtake PES in terms of realism.

# 36 Peninc @ 10/07/08 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PodSquad


	Thats the way I feel after playing around with the demo. Its just a glossed up last gen game. Im really not impressed, and I seriously wonder how much actual 'work' Seabass and team do in an average year.

Exactly! I think they have simply gotten lazy. FIFA developers work a hell of alot harder than the PES team these days. There is simply no excuse for the way Robben looks in this game for example. The game is distinctly last gen with a hint of shine and new shorts. I can say I think it is a more fun demo to play than the Fifa demo for me but it simply does not cut it. We are in the final two years of next gen consoles lifespan and this is what they have come up with? The same game with a hint of a tweak here and there since PES 4? I have to say im very disappointed here. I wish 2k sports made a soccer game.

# 37 PeruvianPlaya954 @ 10/07/08 07:09 PM

Finally got to the play the demo albeit it was only one game. I used Italy and played my brother who used France. I remembered the many reasons why I was addicted to older PES versions like no other video game.

The unpredictability of the way the ball moves, the first touches, the smooth game play, it actually gives you total control (or close to it). I won 2-0, and my first goal was a thing of beauty. Pirlo received the ball in the middle and his first touch was a little off as it bounced a few yards away but he got to the ball before Viera did. I managed to get a nice looking chip through pass to Zambrotta down the right side. Zambrotta put a well timed cross that Del Piero succesfully headed home.

My second goal was a run by Del Piero down the left, then a fake shot that left my brother in the dust, a pass to the middle and a Luca Toni strike and goal!

Looking forward to playing a couple more matches tonight. The graphics are alot better (although not up to par with FIFA), and the gameplay is back to its good ol' self.

I'll still be getting FIFA regardless to see how it plays out since so many are saying its PES with a twist.

# 38 lnin0 @ 10/11/08 02:52 PM

After playing more of both 360 demos I am not feeling it for FIFA.

While FIFA may have better graphics I find it throws too many effects and filters on the screen leaving it looking a bit fuzzy. PES looks more crisp and fluid but not all that 'next-gen'.

FIFA has a ton of AI issues still and no matter how far they have come it still feels like a game of pinball. PES has so much more interaction between a ball handler and defenders and I don't see that in FIFA. In FIFA defender approaches, gets to ball carrier, defender gets ball - and it doesn't really matter who is on either side of the ball. In FIFA you spend all your time passing from player to player to make sure a defender doesn't get close. In PES it is not an overwhelming concern because the steal is not a guarantee. I also think the ball physics, passing, shooting and net are far more realistic in PES.

My problem though is PES has a lot of shotcomings off the pitch. So many so that I don't know that I want to invest $60 in it. I know FIFA is a more rounded package but its shortcoming are far more critical to gameplay and that is something even harder to compromise when it comes down to forking over $60. Overall I think I might just sit it out this year and drop my $60 on one of the other great games coming out this holiday.

# 39 CX1329 @ 10/11/08 05:15 PM

Football is not the same as table tennis. No real football game looks like PES 2008, and that's really the only point I need to make when I say that FIFA 08 was vastly superior to its competition. If I were to further explain my point, I'd also need to touch upon the weightless feeling of the ball physics, the exceedingly unrealistic pace at which the players move REGARDLESS of remaining stamina, the absurd reflexes of both the CPU keeper and players (they always respond to the shooting animations of my players a split second after they're initiated! o.O), the wild, artificial unpredictability of the CPU keepers, which will save everything in one game and let in 8 goals in the next one, the unrealistic shooting, the sometimes baffling officiating, the AWFUL passing compounded by unrealistic closing down mechanics, and the list goes on.

I was an enthusiastic supporter of PES up to the 6th installment, which was nothing short of brilliant. And granted, FIFA 08 is not devoid of faults, but it's far better than the mockery that PES 08 was, and thus, the FIFA series has definitely secured the support that once belonged to the PES series. I loved the FIFA 09 demo. I'm now downloading the PES 09 demo, and hopefully it will impress me again, just like PES 6. I'm not keeping my hopes up, though.

# 40 Gamecocks625 @ 10/12/08 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lnin0


	My problem though is PES has a lot of shotcomings off the pitch. So many so that I don't know that I want to invest $60 in it. I know FIFA is a more rounded package but its shortcoming are far more critical to gameplay and that is something even harder to compromise when it comes down to forking over $60. Overall I think I might just sit it out this year and drop my $60 on one of the other great games coming out this holiday.

You know, it's $39.99 at Amazon right now.

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