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Madden 09: celebration videos (IGN)

02:45 PM - June 23, 2008 by drlw322

IGN has posted some celebration video clips from Madden NFL 09.

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# 101 BezO @ 06/24/08 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigma4Life


	It's obvious that most of the people on this board don't have a clue about software development.

And most here wouldn't claim to. We don't come here to learn about software. We come here because we like video game football.

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Originally Posted by Sigma4Life


	Adding more chefs doesn't always make the meal taste better. Many times it has the opposite affect.

Ian gave the impression they don't have enough designers to produce the level of work we're expecting. More chefs is exactly what they need. No more head or sous-chefs, but some assistants would probably help matters. And if their designers are not well versed in FOOTBALL, like Ian implied, they need someone to make sure they are.

I'm baffled that there are only 4-5 people designing the biggest sports game ever.

# 102 BezO @ 06/24/08 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by green94


	Ian - I'd actually like to disagree on this one. Right now I am absolutely loving the post play stuff you guys have added in this year, and the fact that it is completely seamless is great. I think what NBA 2k did a few years ago, completely getting rid of cut scenes, was a great idea. Most people end up clicking right through them anyways. I guess I'm just trying to understand why you are so high on getting them in next year?

That was the best thing about NBA 2K8 IMO. I like that Madden celebrations are not cut scenes, and are seemless, except getting to the desired celebration spot. I'd suggest they put the celebrations on the buttons so player models are not running around looking for celebrations boxes.

I'd also suggest using as little cut scenes as possible, though I assume some elements of presentation will require them, especially if done like a tv broadcast.

# 103 green94 @ 06/24/08 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	That was the best thing about NBA 2K8 IMO. I like that Madden celebrations are not cut scenes, and are seemless, except getting to the desired celebration spot. I'd suggest they put the celebrations on the buttons so player models are not running around looking for celebrations boxes. I'd also suggest using as little cut scenes as possible, though I assume some elements of presentation will require them, especially if done like a tv broadcast.

Yep, completely agree.

# 104 roadman @ 06/24/08 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Details


	Why do people keep saying this? Yes, budgets exist. Of course. Offsetting the cost of more chefs? You know, there is such a thing as growth. Should EA ever hire more people to work on Madden? How many hours do these designers have to work for you to realize that more people may be needed? IMO, there should be someone overseeing accuracy. The uniform debacle of the last few years proved that. GTA IV had a massive budget because of the projected revenue. The game cost a lot to produce, but it was worth it. How much money has to be made to hire two more designers? Companies expand to meet needs. It's a healthy process.

GTA also had 3 to 4 years in the making, much different than a 10 month cycle.

I never said the more designers aren't needed.

Based on the last few Maddens, there hasn't been much growth in sales numbers, in fact, I think 07 outsold 08.

It's up to the suits how much money needs to be made to hire a few more designers. From a personal standpoint, I'd love them to add more people to the mix, it just needs to make sense from a business standpoint on EA's end.

# 105 swanlee @ 06/24/08 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	It ties into the whole "publisher loyalty" deal some people have, EA could put out the greatest football game ever but because it doesn't say 2k on the box people will piss and moan and complain for the sake of complaining.

The flip side is true as well EA could put out crap and people would make excuses for them and defend them till the death. EA has the NFL license to themselves so they better be thick skinned enough to deal with their mistakes and eventually fix them.

It's great Ian and some other people that are working on the game are getting involved with the community but holding back on issues is not going to help them. I'm totally against personally attacking them but they don't need to have the butt kissed either. We should appreciate their involvement but not hold back when we clearly see mistakes or issues with the game.

This thread is about TD celebrations and there is work to be done to fix them.

# 106 Danimal @ 06/24/08 02:49 PM

Wow has this thread taken a wrong turn.

# 107 Eddie1967 @ 06/24/08 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djordan


	Still sounds like an excuse... If you hire someone to work on an NFL Licensed game and told them to write code/animation for Lambeau Leap wouldn't you let them see a video or picture describing what it is? sidenizzo-Tell the dude to code in Spider Webs comming from dude's hand and it will be perfect.... JK...I hope it's patched though I...

Good Point. If your working on an NFL specific celebration there is no excuse for not knowing exactly what that celebration looks like.

# 108 beau21 @ 06/24/08 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFuture15


	Well quick update for everyone - I got in this morning and looked for myself, there's definitely good news...the bottom video that I showed above IS actually in the shipping game. The problem is that there seems to be a bug with the Green Bay-specific logic (i.e. it's not working) - so there's a random chance that you could get that Spiderman-looking thing when you run to the wall. Many people were speculating this...you all were right. It's just the wrong animation being played. So I guess it's better than nothing, as there's a 25% chance that you'll get the actual real Lambeau Leap. I'm still looking into whether we can patch this to be 100% though.

so will we see both of the Lambeau Leap variations that you showed the mocap videos from a few pages back or just the second one?

# 109 Eddie1967 @ 06/24/08 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	It ties into the whole "publisher loyalty" deal some people have, EA could put out the greatest football game ever but because it doesn't say 2k on the box people will piss and moan and complain for the sake of complaining.

Please, it has nothing to do with that. Just because you want madden to be the best it can be and you criticize it, doesn't mean it has anything to do with 2k. Comments like this are what start those silly EA/2K wars that used to happen so often. EA is NOT putting out the greatest football game ever this year, so if the criticism helps them to get more things right for now and in the future, then that will be good for all football fans. I haven't read many comments that were complaining just to complain. Just because YOU don't care about the lambeau leap and other details doesn't mean they aren't important to other people. I'm a diehard cowboys fan and don't care too much for the Packers but an "accurate" Lambeau leap adds to the "little things" in the game that IMO madden has never had.

# 110 Eddie1967 @ 06/24/08 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	I'm sure there will be other funny/inappropriate celebrations in the game. It's a matter of what gets focused on. Things get clowned by the fans, the devs change/remove them. At one point somebody at Tiburon thought it was cool to add the air raid sound on deep passes and it lasted a couple years. Same as someone thinking the QB animations were good enough/cool for the past four years. Or any other number of other issues. Back in the day 989 gave gamers the ability to breakdance after sacks, and because of the direction the game went the game died shortly after. NBA2K8's standing teleport dunk irritates many people to no end. I'm sure they'll remove it for NBA2K9, if there is a 2K9 (grrrrrr). Doesn't seem like it's as much a mistake as someone thought it was cool to add it in the first place. It's not a personal attack; it's happened with many sports games.

eggshells cracking..............JK

# 111 Eddie1967 @ 06/24/08 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DSpezzano


	Wow has this thread taken a wrong turn.

I don't see that at all. it seems to have possibly fixed that one celebration. Don't be scared, uh uh don't be scared. lol

# 112 Hassan Darkside @ 06/24/08 03:49 PM

This is what gets me... I was looking on youtube and came across this:

Which was posted today by EASPORTSRAC. Where's it at?

# 113 thmst30 @ 06/24/08 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruff Ryder


	This is what gets me... I was looking on youtube and came across this: Which was posted today by EASPORTSRAC. Where's it at?

Read through the thread, and you shall receive an answer. This is a good place to start.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/253321-madden-09-celebration-videos-ign-5.html#post2038445567

# 114 PacMan3000 @ 06/24/08 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFuture15


	Come on man...just think a little deeper. Think about every artist that you've met - the ones that went to art school, or film school, or worked in graphic design, or did animation for Disney films - ones that are really talented and gifted in their craft. Or folks that grew up in Japan or Korea their whole life and are relatively new to the US. You've got to realize that not every single person in a creative field like animation might not know what Green Bay players specifically do whenever they score. That's why there are folks like me around here - and unfortunately I never saw it to sign off on.

Ian,

I completely understand what you mean, but what I don't get is this:

If an artist isn't familiar with the Lambeau Leap--fine. I can buy that he/she isn't from the US...or is a nerd and didn't watch many Packers games.

But, if your job is to create realistic NFL celebrations, don't you have a stack of Packers game tapes on your desk? Don't you do your research on how the Lambeau Leap looks?

That's my confusion, because while I understand that some things in the NFL a given EA artist might not inherently know, isn't it their job to seek it out, research, and learn about it so that they can accurately replicate it in a game?

# 115 Danimal @ 06/24/08 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie1967


	I don't see that at all. it seems to have possibly fixed that one celebration. Don't be scared, uh uh don't be scared. lol

You have to be kidding.

Look a mistake was made, not only did he own up to it, he provided proof that they did in fact capture the correct thing. Sure it should have been caught but it wasn't. But it happened and they are trying to fix it.

Instead of seeing that and moving on this thread has gone from talking about the videos to telling the devs of the game they aren't doing their job right, starting the old 2k vs EA thing again, demanding more resources be allocated and in some cases telling them how their dev time should of been spent because they didn't implement exactly what YOU wanted.

The condescending attitude and sense of entitlement some of you demonstrate is nothing short of spectacular. I amazed these guys are sticking it out on these forums.

You don't see how this thread has taken a wrong turn, give me a break. I'm surprised the mods haven't locked it down yet.

# 116 BezO @ 06/24/08 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ODogg


	It's really quite simple, the general public likes players to celebrate more than any of the other stuff you described. Once again another OS'er has tunnel vision in thinking with what they want instead of seeing the big picture.

I'd appreciate you laying off the insults.

I'm fully aware some people enjoy celebrations more than those things. My points were: Get it right if you're going to dedicate so much time to it. And there are events that happen much more frequently, that could've been pulled off much easier and looked better.

What % of folks you think would take a good looking coach/QB cut scene over a lay up celebration?

# 117 ODogg @ 06/24/08 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	I'd appreciate you laying off the insults.

It's not an insult, it's an analysis. Stop taking things so personally. See my custom title? WHy sO SeRiOuS??

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Originally Posted by BezO


	I'm fully aware some people enjoy celebrations more than those things. My points were: Get it right if you're going to dedicate so much time to it. And there are events that happen much more frequently, that could've been pulled off much easier and looked better. What % of folks you think would take a good looking coach/QB cut scene over a lay up celebration?

Probably 10% at the most. Most of the general public who play these games would prefer to have their players celebrate than see a coach/QB cut scene. Those scenes appeal to people like us here at OS, not the general public near as much.

# 118 Shadymamba @ 06/24/08 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djordan


	WOW @ BUTCHING THE LAMBEAU LEAP!

whhhat the hell was that..it looked like when brett tried to do it..was he humping the wall oh man!!!!!..ps. Terry Glenn has no hops lmao!!!

# 119 Shadymamba @ 06/24/08 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFuture15


	Hey guys - thought I'd respond to this post with a couple of points: 1. Post play is a totally different area from gameplay...so if anyone's concerned about us spending too much time here and not focusing on gameplay issues, that concern is invalid 2. The "dunk" is not a dunk - that's a specific layup animation for players that are too short or don't have a high enough jump rating to actually dunk over the post 3. I am actually pretty upset about the Lambeau Leap animation - that's the first time I've actually seen it in game, and it seems they used one of the wall celebration animations from NFL Tour instead of the real Lambeau animation. I know this because I directed the motion capture of 2 variations of it - see videos: I will check to see if we can sneak a change in for a patch. I know it's not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but it's not even close to what we are supposed to be using for the Lambeau Leap - you all are right - it's like Spiderman or something. Just a mistake here by whoever was working on it...we don't have accuracy experts working on every aspect of the game so sometimes things like this can slip through. 4. I am pretty sure the Mile High salute is still in 5. You CAN steal another player's celebration. So if you score against TO, and you hit the steal button (I think it's B / Circle), you have a chance of doing one of TO's celebrations.

Thanks for posting.....its crazy how they put one thing in the green room and the product ships another...you should find him and lambeau leap his *** out of EA office whoever did that lol, but hey i dont even use the packers so as long as the gameplay is better i'll give it a shot and see whats good

# 120 AllenRulz00 @ 06/24/08 11:48 PM

Those look so freaking awesome.

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