NBA Live 18 Videos Released

[noshun]

I see the point I made flew over both of your heads. Who's being negative when I and others are pointing out an issue that has been a Live legacy issue going all the way back to PS2 days? You're confusing critique with negativity. Case in point how you say nothing about this:

Quote: Originally Posted by WTF

I have no clue, and have no clue how many will remain this year, etc. I made a list of the ones that I didn't like, which included plenty, and which ones were good out of the prior years, which were few.

Will is clearly stating Legacy issues.. but you don't say Will's being negative. Selective post jumping in excuse favor of Live runs rampant on these forums.. Its a reason the devs wrote a blog not understanding the reaction the game received, and why sales were the lowest for the series ever..

[TecmoZack]

Quote: Originally Posted by noshun

I see the point I made flew over both of your heads. Who's being negative when I and others are pointing out an issue that has been a Live legacy issue going all the way back to PS2 days? You're confusing critique with negativity. Case in point how you say nothing about this: Will is clearly stating Legacy issues.. but you don't say Will's being negative. Selective post jumping in excuse favor of Live runs rampant on these forums.. Its a reason the devs wrote a blog not understanding the reaction the game received, and why sales were the lowest for the series ever..

Nothing flew over anyone's head. You called individuals that want the game to succeed SLA's. I'm not calling you a LH. WTF has played the game. He has seen it. He commented about how he can't wait to talk about the tech and how he likes it.

Saying you don't like something is fine. Just did not like the way you did it. Anywho....I'm pumped for EA play.


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[jadert]

Quote: Originally Posted by noshun

I see the point I made flew over both of your heads. Who's being negative when I and others are pointing out an issue that has been a Live legacy issue going all the way back to PS2 days? You're confusing critique with negativity. Case in point how you say nothing about this: Will is clearly stating Legacy issues.. but you don't say Will's being negative. Selective post jumping in excuse favor of Live runs rampant on these forums.. Its a reason the devs wrote a blog not understanding the reaction the game received, and why sales were the lowest for the series ever..

You're wasting your time. Some guys just won't get it. Not after embarrassing sales, not after low reviews, not after obscurity, etc. Some people will continue to get excited over very barebones stuff and think that Live will be making a comeback. The common response is that its "your opinion". Yeah, and 5 million others that chose to buy ANOTHER game that also has many flaws. Thats a pretty strong opinion.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Don't waste your time with these fools that only come here pre-release. You may be a respected poster but not this forum when every year it's this game is trash, animations are crap without actually playing the final product or making constructive criticism in the vids/feedback/glitches thread with actual vids of the things you dislike in the current game.

At least wtf and others actually play the game and give viable avenues on this board for gameplay changes.

[noshun]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nemesis Enforcer

Don't waste your time with these fools that only come here pre-release. You may be a respected poster but not this forum when every year it's this game is trash, animations are crap without actually playing the final product or making constructive criticism in the vids/feedback/glitches thread with actual vids of the things you dislike in the current game. At least wtf and others actually play the game and give viable avenues on this board for gameplay changes.

Nemesis if this is directed to me, I'll take the bait. I've done more than you think. I went to school for game design at DigiPen. I've worked for Nintendo of America, Microsoft Game Studios, and EA as a QA Tester. I was specifically put on Live for a few years. I've also emailed the CEO of EA Canada at the the time David Gardner, as well as a few devs working on the game a week later when Live was being produced there. I've been there at the EA campus in Burnabya few times, because I lived in North Van at the time, taking Graphic Design at Capilano College, and knew people that worked there and they knew my background.
I've had EA devs/CM PM me directly on these forums because of that email, asking me about it and telling me how the CEO made the whole Live team read it. The only thing I didn't disclose was that I was testing the game or I would've been easily singled out. I can tell you of the time I submitted a notebook about 50 pages deep with issues, directly to the devs only to get a thank you note back stating "thank you for pointing out these issues, but these weren't what we were looking for at that time."
I can tell you about NBA live 07 still using Genesis code called AI94, 2 gaming generations later, did you know that? I saw the code myself with a programmer buddy who decompiled 07 and a Genesis cartridge, the main reason I wanted to learn code, on top of being an animator.

I've done more than you think. Have you done anything close to what I wrote in any capacity whatsoever? Guess what WTF (Will and a few others on this very forum can confirm everything Im telling you. But I don't know what I'm talking about? . I sent them things you haven't seen or heard. I know plenty of people in the industry at a few companies including 2k and keep in contact with them from time to time.

So when I see quotes like this, I can only shake my head:

Quote:

I'll take a little stiff movement all day if they fix all of those other issues, and if we get good gameplay.

I'm not going to name who wrote this, but it's from a few pages back. this is SLA mentality. Im not saying he's one, its just the mentally in this forum. READ that quote.

1. This person wants stiff movement all day, with an if?.
2. How can a person settle for stiff movement, but wants all the other issues fixed? Does that even make sense? This person wants everything else fixed, excluding the stiff movement. Why not just fix everything?
3. How can you have good gameplay with still having stiff movement? Movement affects the gameplay.

Its a never ending cycle of mediocrity, and settling. Please respond, and make it good. Not that I need validation, but whatever.. I still have more to talk about, just barely touched the surface..

[Lancio23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nemesis Enforcer

Don't waste your time with these fools that only come here pre-release. You may be a respected poster but not this forum when every year it's this game is trash, animations are crap without actually playing the final product or making constructive criticism in the vids/feedback/glitches thread with actual vids of the things you dislike in the current game. At least wtf and others actually play the game and give viable avenues on this board for gameplay changes.

Makes sense most don't play the when it's released instead just watch a clip and say the game is trash, for everyone that's commented on this seem like they want you to think you can't have fun unless you playing 2k but everyone is entitled to there own opinion.


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[FerdBrown]

If I may refer to the subject of this topic, NBA LIVE 18 Videos Released, with a few YouTube influencers to make noise and create buzz for an upcoming product - I can smell marketing team and not development team.

Which means, I maintain, I cannot make any judgment until the finished product is out, and I tried it myself.

Until then, we can all agree that at this point, we only saw snippets (teasers) and that itself is not a final product.

Let us keep the forum alive with ideas how to make the game better, meanwhile recognizing that each one is entitled to his/her own opinions.

We can contribute harmoniously. Happy reading.

[Rob. D]

Still not a fan of the animations, I'm waiting to see some unedited, unscripted gameplay.