NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

[49UNCFan]

Love the sweat screens

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[stillfeelme]

24ct,

Curry is just an outlier man. He is one of the rare players that doesn't lose much efficiency if he shoots off the dribble or even with a high rate.

He shot 42.5% from off of dribble pullup 3's with 4.3 attempts
He shot 47.9% off catch and shoot 3's with 3.5 attempts

The difference between him and Kobe is Kobe will shoot more contested shots than Curry especially tightly contested shots. A tightly contested shot is generally a bad shot for the majority. Kobe has no problem taking these Steph doesn't take nearly the amount of contested shots as Kobe

Steph took 323 tightly or very tightly jumpers in 80 games 41%
Kobe took 368 tightly or very tightly jumpers in 35 games 31%

Kobe basically doubled Curry's "bad" shot selection in less than half the games. Kobe was on a record pace for bad contested shots

Open jumpers

Steph 46%
Kobe 41%

Kobe is a much better open shooter than contested shooter where as Steph sees hardly any drop off. 41% to 31% huge drop off for Kobe.

So when I am talking poor shot selection it does matter for success rate. Kobe is known to shoot on double teams haha he has no filter on shot selection

[24ct]

Are you comparing 36/37 year old Kobe to Prime Steph Curry?

Regardless...I get what you're saying. I get what Sundown is saying but the bottom line for me personally is stats never tell the whole story. Yes Curry shoots a respectable percentage on shots good or bad. But 41% on tightly contested shot for a 37 year old Curry would definitely be lower.

What I'm ultimately saying is a bad shot is a bad shot no matter what your skillset allows. It's kinda similar to Blake Griffin trying to dunk on everything before Doc. Now he's become a more complete player. He can jump over you sure, but a midrange is still 2 points.

Curry doesn't shoot a contested 3 every possession but if he did his percentage would be terrible lol. I agree with you guys tho. Curry doesn't take consistently bad shots. But sometimes he does. Sometimes he makes them. But a bad shot is a bad shot.

Curry doesn't shoot over doubles like Kobe has lol but Kobe was also taller and more athletic. Steph isn't driving baseline and doing double pump reverses either. It's just for me personally some of the shots I've seen curry take are like "really bro...?" Sometimes they go in lol. But no matter how many bad looks you make it doesn't mean it's necessarily a good 1. Just my opinion.

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Clappington

As much as I'd hate to say it I've played my friends (some are big time cheesers) drop 40-50 with Rudy Gay same with Paul George. poster dunks all game long lol. so I wouldnt past him dropping 80 on HOF/SIM.

Quote: Originally Posted by WTF

Rudy Gay is cheese too. Crazy easy release, lol.

Rudy Gay is most definitely cheese, and has been for a while now....the real test with the new ratings will be to see how he plays....

My offer stands though, and I'll double it if he does it against me...I'm always down for a friendly donation challenge haha


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[NINJAK2]

Do you guys know if each player had a "Consistency" rating in 2k15? I've always felt that consistency should have a big effect on how a guy performs on the court and how consistently they play up to their ratings. Players like JR Smith have always been gods in 2k due to their measurables but IRL being consistent has always been an issue for him.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by 24ct

Are you comparing 36/37 year old Kobe to Prime Steph Curry? Regardless...I get what you're saying. I get what Sundown is saying but the bottom line for me personally is stats never tell the whole story. Yes Curry shoots a respectable percentage on shots good or bad. But 41% on tightly contested shot for a 37 year old Curry would definitely be lower. What I'm ultimately saying is a bad shot is a bad shot no matter what your skillset allows. It's kinda similar to Blake Griffin trying to dunk on everything before Doc. Now he's become a more complete player. He can jump over you sure, but a midrange is still 2 points. Curry doesn't shoot a contested 3 every possession but if he did his percentage would be terrible lol. I agree with you guys tho. Curry doesn't take consistently bad shots. But sometimes he does. Sometimes he makes them. But a bad shot is a bad shot. Curry doesn't shoot over doubles like Kobe has lol but Kobe was also taller and more athletic. Steph isn't driving baseline and doing double pump reverses either. It's just for me personally some of the shots I've seen curry take are like "really bro...?" Sometimes they go in lol. But no matter how many bad looks you make it doesn't mean it's necessarily a good 1. Just my opinion.

I may have to disagree with this sentiment. I think a bad shot is subjective depending upon one's definition and the player being discussed.

I think it's a sliding scale. As in, the most ideal shot for, say, David Robinson, is a dunk. For Stephen Curry, it's a wide open layup. From there, one works their way out to less and less reliable forms of scoring until that line between "less efficient" and "bad" is crossed. A David Robinson mid-range jumper is less efficient and accurate than his layups, dunks, and jump hooks, but it was still a worthy and dangerous weapon. Would Robinson's field goal percentage dip if all he took were mid-range jumpers? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean it was a bad shot for him. Robinson wouldn't likely hit "bad shot selection" territory until he backed up around 21 feet.

Similarly, Curry's penchant for taking and making seemingly difficult shots at odd times and from weird angles is unlike any shooter I've ever seen in my life. Obviously, if Robinson attempted any of the shots Curry did of that nature, they'd be awful, awful shots, because the chances of hitting would be so low. However, Curry's ability to succeed in that realm is akin to Robinson's mid-range game in that those shots may go in at a lower rate than open J's, but the rate at which he does hit them (more accurately than anyone I've ever seen) is a huge part of what makes him so dangerous.

My wording feels poor but basically, what may be declared a bad shot for one player is not necessarily so for another.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

Rudy Gay is most definitely cheese, and has been for a while now....the real test with the new ratings will be to see how he plays.... My offer stands though, and I'll double it if he does it against me...I'm always down for a friendly donation challenge haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can vouch for this. Though Two Four isn't going to last long enough to pay off that bet because he's going to be banned soon enough.

Yeah that's right, don't think you got off with that BS you pulled in the Boston/Miami classic team thread. We cool, but you got to go, you know the rules.

[BluFu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

1. Rose's rating hasn't been released. ... 1. Rose is 10 years younger than Kobe. 2. Literally, Rose is 10 years younger than Kobe. I think Rose is overrated trash but it is clear as day that they are in two completely different points of their career arcs.

Rose is going to be at least an 81-83. Yes, I can say that confidently.

Wait so are ratings based off of career arc now? You're stat guy, why bring up career arc and age?

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

LOL there's also this Shooting Guard RPM 1. James Harden (+8.50) 2. Khris Middleton (+6.06) 3. Kyle Korver (+5.42) 4. Danny Green (+5.41) 5. Jimmy Butler (+4.30) 6. Wesley Matthews (+3.65) 7. Klay Thompson (+3.64) 45. Evan Turner (-1.37) 53. Kobe Bryant (-2.15) 68. Dion Waiters (-3.52) 83. Lance Stephenson (-4.82) Kobe was not an effective basketball player last season and it's very clear from looking at the top players on that list that he isn't anywhere close to fitting the mold of what one actually looks like in the year 2016 irrespective of his age/health (where defense and shooting are a thing).

(since you only want to use one chart...)

So you're telling me... Middleton, Korver and Green round out the top 4 SGs in the league.



We might need to agree to disagree here... If you don't agree with what I said in my first post (or consider that you have no clue what the ratings are this year) then this discussion is going nowhere. Points are getting redundant lol