FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[michiganfan8620]

Quote: Originally Posted by JHTJ

I couldn't even make it past the Dolphins before I saw some serious issues with the ratings on that site. I mean, real bad. Now I’m not suggesting players as a whole are underrated, or the team is collectively better than depicted at all. I could care less, honestly. I will say though that rating Pro Bowl C Mike Pouncey as the 4th worst player on the team is a travesty if Ive ever seen one. Rated 53 behind two undrafted Centers fighting for roster spots is crazy. You have an undrafted ROOKIE rated ahead of All SEC, All American, Pro Bowl, PFF rated top 10 Pouncey. I'm sure undertaking and implementing this rating process is a difficult task so this post comes with all respect due. I might be willing to concede that considering his injury pouncey had a slightly off year, but I watch every game - Every snap my Fins play repeatedly and I can say unequivocally that rating is garbage. I don't expect you to defend this rating because, quite honestly, its impossible. The fact is its your site and you can publish what you like. I just wanted to point out what I saw as a glaring inaccuracy.

He will say its due to Pouncey's injury and surgery, and that once he is back to health, his rating will promptly be adjusted. Although I noticed something there as well. Why is Dion Jordan's rating a 72 when he is suspended, whereas Robert Mathis is a 44 with the same length suspension?

[JHTJ]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

He will say its due to Pouncey's injury and surgery, and that once he is back to health, his rating will promptly be adjusted. Although I noticed something there as well. Why is Dion Jordan's rating a 72 when he is suspended, whereas Robert Mathis is a 44 with the same length suspension?

My apologies, I would have liked to spend some time reading the thread but with 130+ pages I decided that just wasn't happening. The obvious question would be why are ratings being tweaked in the offseason based on injuries with speculative impact on performance? Eh, I'm sure that too was answered at some point in time. Disregard, if I really want the answer ill dig for it. I will say that regardless of justification, ratings adjustments made based on injuries or suspensions doesn't sound like a system that interest me.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

I guess I just don't understand how a scout could grade a player so lowly based on the fact that he is suspended if you aren't factoring in production. How is he any less of a player? And another thing, I'm guessing Madden doesn't use historical players in their interpretation of the data. Thus, if a player was considered to have the strongest arm in football, they give him a high rating. Even though he might only be a 4.0 on the 0-5.0 scale, which I'm assuming equals a 80 rating, he gets a high 90 rating in order to fit the programming of the game (making sure he can throw the ball as far as he actually can in real life). And then they go from there with the rest of the players. They are just focused on the present time, and how players currently in the league compare to each other, not on how they compare to all-time greats. At least that's what I'm assuming Madden does.

Think about it this way. If the ratings are real-time and a player is out (like he would be for an injury), he essentially falls off of the depth chart. When a player is active/healthy, he is placed back on the depth chart. The same thing follows here. Scouts actually do it, knowing full well that they will be readjusted at a later date. I doubt they lose sleep over it.

The problem with Madden, to me, is that they do keep adjusting year after year and do not allow for any continuity between seasons. They don't include the greats. They don't include the entire ratings scale. Why not? I think it has to do more with many current good players being rated in the 70s than the public could stomach. But, those are the facts. Scouts use all-time information to see how good a player may be. Why doesn't Madden.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

He will say its due to Pouncey's injury and surgery, and that once he is back to health, his rating will promptly be adjusted. Although I noticed something there as well. Why is Dion Jordan's rating a 72 when he is suspended, whereas Robert Mathis is a 44 with the same length suspension?

Correct. However, a suspension doesn't mean a player's rating will drop either. It just depends on a case by case basis. I guess they felt that Jordan's isn't worthy of a drop yet, or at least as severe as one.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by JHTJ

My apologies, I would have liked to spend some time reading the thread but with 130+ pages I decided that just wasn't happening. The obvious question would be why are ratings being tweaked in the offseason based on injuries with speculative impact on performance? Eh, I'm sure that too was answered at some point in time. Disregard, if I really want the answer ill dig for it. I will say that regardless of justification, ratings adjustments made based on injuries or suspensions doesn't sound like a system that interest me.

You can look at our FAQ page. Most of your questions are answered there. Scouts tweak the ratings when ever a change is warranted. They do not do it without reason. Those reasons change from player to player. I suppose you would have to ask them directly. If this system doesn't interest you, you can always stick with EA's over-inflated ratings.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by JHTJ

I couldn't even make it past the Dolphins before I saw some serious issues with the ratings on that site. I mean, real bad. Now I’m not suggesting players as a whole are underrated, or the team is collectively better than depicted at all. I could care less, honestly. I will say though that rating Pro Bowl C Mike Pouncey as the 4th worst player on the team is a travesty if Ive ever seen one. Rated 53 behind two undrafted Centers fighting for roster spots is crazy. You have an undrafted ROOKIE rated ahead of All SEC, All American, Pro Bowl, PFF rated top 10 Pouncey. I'm sure undertaking and implementing this rating process is a difficult task so this post comes with all respect due. I might be willing to concede that considering his injury pouncey had a slightly off year, but I watch every game - Every snap my Fins play repeatedly and I can say unequivocally that rating is garbage. I don't expect you to defend this rating because, quite honestly, i don't think it's possible. The fact is its your site and you can publish what you like. I just wanted to point out what I saw as a glaring inaccuracy.

Is Pouncey injured? Injuries definitely affect the OVR rating. I mean, try to play the game at the same All-Pro level with a torn ACL or dislocated hip. Not going to happen.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

(Respond to this whenever you wish, not trying to hold you hostage) I am entering graduate school at UMD College Park studying Public Policy. So I am still something of a duckling learning to fly when it comes to statistical analysis. But for this, I think my interest is more of a scouting perspective. What goes into a grade in route running? Number of steps/yards covered, getting off the line, breakdown (how many steps do they take), foot planting, things like that? what about coverage skills? It seems easier to grade someone running routes as you would have a slightly easier time doing that without a defender than measuring coverage skills without a WR.

Many things, I am sure, go into each category. For route running, how well the receiver gets off the ball without false steps, gains leverage, sells the DB on the stem, uses a pressure step, accelerates out of the cut, doesn't give away the route, etc. all factor in.

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