FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

Maybe more of an emphasis on an up temp passing game? Could be the increase in popularity of spread based offenses. Probably a combination of a few factors (of which PEDs may be a factor). My initial thought would be an increasing preference for speed but you just pointed out that speed has held constant.

My PED comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

The fact that the players haven't gotten much faster if measuring average velocity via the 40 time is kind of unexpected. Although, I think that the media plays a large role in making many of us THINK that the athletes today are far superior than those of say 20 years ago. The data seems to make it apparent that is not the case.

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

My PED comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The fact that the players haven't gotten much faster if measuring average velocity via the 40 time is kind of unexpected. Although, I think that the media plays a large role in making many of us THINK that the athletes today are far superior than those of say 20 years ago. The data seems to make it apparent that is not the case.

I think "modern" sports started around the mid 1980s. I would expect a significant change in speed and athleticism in general between players of the past 20 to 30 years and players of what I would call the premodern era of the 60's and 70's. There is only so much the human body is capable of and we may be nearing the limit.

Out of curiosity, have other speed and quickness related measurements held constant? Like the cone and shuttle?

[friscob]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

Maybe more of an emphasis on an up temp passing game? Could be the increase in popularity of spread based offenses. Probably a combination of a few factors (of which PEDs may be a factor). My initial thought would be an increasing preference for speed but you just pointed out that speed has held constant.

Overall the speed has held contant but what about restricting it to just o linemen?

[michiganfan8620]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

I am growing pretty tired of addressing you on this topic. What you fail to realize is that the OVR multiplier is lowering Mathis' FMV rating to match the desired OVR. When the OVR goes back up, so will his FMV rating, which will most likely be closer to his original FMV grade of 91. Until that happens, though, I cannot change the rating back. That is not how this works. We have to meet the individual attribute values and the OVR values. If his OVR drops, so too must his attributes. If you have further questions about this particular topic, I will refer you to the FAQ page.

So in other words, you are basically doing what you accuse EA of doing, manipulating ratings to reach a desired OVR. What I'm pointing out is that it makes no sense to have Dion Jordan and Robert Mathis having different "multipliers" for the exact same suspension. And any system that can honestly have guys like Cortland Finnegan (ranked 109/110 CB's last year in the league that took enough snaps), Derek Cox, Shareece Wright, and a bunch of other decent CB's above an elite CB such as Joe Haden is kind of a joke IMO. And don't tell me look at the individual ratings. All of Haden's important ratings are below these guys, which is not right. You can't tell me Tramon Williams is 15 points better than Joe Haden in MCV, or that Derek Cox is 6 points better. Derek Cox was benched midseason last year due to struggles and was cut from his team in the offseason in the middle of a 4 year deal. Haden just got one of the highest CB contracts in the league after being an All-pro.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

I think "modern" sports started around the mid 1980s. I would expect a significant change in speed and athleticism in general between players of the past 20 to 30 years and players of what I would call the premodern era of the 60's and 70's. There is only so much the human body is capable of and we may be nearing the limit. Out of curiosity, have other speed and quickness related measurements held constant? Like the cone and shuttle?

Let me check.

Well, they didn't start doing the cone drill until 1999, so let's start that year.

1999:
Cone 7.48, Shuttle 4.36

2014:
Cone 7.33, Shuttle 4.50

Rotational Agility has improved while lateral agility has not. Very interesting.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by friscob

Overall the speed has held contant but what about restricting it to just o linemen?

OL 1997:
Average 40: 5.30

OL 2014:
Average 40: 5.32

Pretty constant there as well.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

So in other words, you are basically doing what you accuse EA of doing, manipulating ratings to reach a desired OVR. What I'm pointing out is that it makes no sense to have Dion Jordan and Robert Mathis having different "multipliers" for the exact same suspension. And any system that can honestly have guys like Cortland Finnegan (ranked 109/110 CB's last year in the league that took enough snaps), Derek Cox, Shareece Wright, and a bunch of other decent CB's above an elite CB such as Joe Haden is kind of a joke IMO. And don't tell me look at the individual ratings. All of Haden's important ratings are below these guys, which is not right. You can't tell me Tramon Williams is 15 points better than Joe Haden in MCV, or that Derek Cox is 6 points better. Derek Cox was benched midseason last year due to struggles and was cut from his team in the offseason in the middle of a 4 year deal. Haden just got one of the highest CB contracts in the league after being an All-pro.

In the case of injury, yes. When a player is improving or regressing based on performance, we simply look at the data. No manipulation involved. If I had it my way, I would not include OVR ratings, but once again, when I did that 2 years ago people freaked out.

Once again, look at the whole, not the individual score. Hayden was a bright spot on a bad team, but before he got injured at the end of last season, he gave up 4 TDs in 4 consecutive games. That isn't what ELITE CBs do. Odds are, the scouts saw that, reevaluated him, and gave him the grade he has now. His OVR grade has not changed since May, so it could have been higher/lower before that.

I will explain this for the final time again. No player has the same result on their ratings than any other player, no matter the injury, suspension, whatever. Every case is different.

Haden is a better athlete than both Williams and Cox, but his technical skills are still a bit behind, especially in the AWR category. So yes, I am telling you that.

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

So in other words, you are basically doing what you accuse EA of doing, manipulating ratings to reach a desired OVR. What I'm pointing out is that it makes no sense to have Dion Jordan and Robert Mathis having different "multipliers" for the exact same suspension. And any system that can honestly have guys like Cortland Finnegan (ranked 109/110 CB's last year in the league that took enough snaps), Derek Cox, Shareece Wright, and a bunch of other decent CB's above an elite CB such as Joe Haden is kind of a joke IMO. And don't tell me look at the individual ratings. All of Haden's important ratings are below these guys, which is not right. You can't tell me Tramon Williams is 15 points better than Joe Haden in MCV, or that Derek Cox is 6 points better. Derek Cox was benched midseason last year due to struggles and was cut from his team in the offseason in the middle of a 4 year deal. Haden just got one of the highest CB contracts in the league after being an All-pro.

I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.