Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[CRMosier_LM]

Quote: Originally Posted by DNMHIII

I completely agree with this. In addition, who cares what Donny Moore thinks in the first place! I mean really, we've always been able to edit a roster outside of franchise and then start a franchise and it should be no different with CCM. Edit: I'm not trying to rip on Donny Moore at all, I'm just pointing out that we all shouldn't be forced to live with his opinions thats all.

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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[Jdoug312]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

Yeah but in 2k if we don't like how the insider rates, we can edit rosters ourselves without having to give up playing association, or myplayer, or anything else.

[CRMosier_LM]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jdoug312

Yeah but in 2k if we don't like how the insider rates, we can edit rosters ourselves without having to give up playing association, or myplayer, or anything else.

Yep you can. But not in Madden this year... It is what it is.

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[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

Yep you can. But not in Madden this year... It is what it is. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

Right, that was the point of his post though.

No one ever refuted the fact that ratings in every game are someone elses opinion so I don't understand the point in even bringing that up.

[DNMHIII]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

I understand that, it doesn't mean that we have go agree with them especially when they get tweaked to manipulate the OVR rating and also the teams OVR.

I couldn't care less what Donny Moore thinks the 49er roster should be and having the option to tweak the attributes to better represent the players on the roster was great because I wasn't at the mercy of his opinion. With CCM, and its current limitations, everyone is at the mercy of one person and I think that straight up sucks.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by DNMHIII

I understand that, it doesn't mean that we have go agree with them especially when they get tweaked to manipulate the OVR rating and also the teams OVR. I couldn't care less what Donny Moore thinks the 49er roster should be and having the option to tweak the attributes to better represent the players on the roster was great because I wasn't at the mercy of his opinion. With CCM, and its current limitations, everyone is at the mercy of one person and I think that straight up sucks.

A few things.

1) The person could be Joe Ratings person, the person will still be praised and criticized from all players alike.

2) The OL ratings were complied by Clint Oldenberg, former NFL OL. He should help out in that area.

PS-Understand about not being able to play around or edit the ratings this year. That is a tough nut to crack.

[DNMHIII]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

A few things. 1) The person could be Joe Ratings person, the person will still be praised and criticized from all players alike. 2) The OL ratings were complied by Clint Oldenberg, former NFL OL. He should help out in that area. PS-Understand about not being able to play around or edit the ratings this year. That is a tough nut to crack.

Oh totally....it has nothing to do with Donny Moore at all because it could be anybody and someone has to put their name on it. The biggest issue that I've had with ratings is that they're manipulated to keep players and teams OVR in check and that messes stuff up IMO. I really appreciate the effort last year to put editing in franchise because it made my opinion on ratings important and relative, without that ability I'm at the mercy of whoever.

I'm a peacock and you gotta let me fly.......lol

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

This is one of my personal Madden crusades, so I felt compelled to comment.

Every NFL player has hard unbiased numbers/data that can be used, in a standard formula, to create player ratings in Madden. If that was done, the only thing subjective would be the parameters of the standard formula, not the ratings themselves, which is potentially less controversial and easier to acquire a consensus around.

None of the ratings in Madden should be subjective, they should all be calculated using agreed on universal formula(s) and data. So if Donny Moore and the ratings "team" decide that AWR should be based on the Wonderlic Test and a players number of years in the NFL, converted into a 0-100 scale rating for every single player, AWR is no longer subjective.

Maybe this kind of stuff happens in every sports game but I am a NFL gamer primarily so Madden is the only one I care about enough to notice. It seems to me like EA/Tiburon is rife with departments intent on making creating a NFL football game harder than it has to be from marketing, to R&D, to ratings. I am sure there are enough challenges to sports game development without these departments needing to make themselves overly relevant. R&D-find ways to copy NFL football in Madden, marketing-sell the NFL football in Madden and ratings-create base formula(s) to input NFL football player data to achieve a universal scale. /rant