Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

[wheelman990]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

I understand what you are saying, but people usually criticize EA for adding "fluff" in the pregame and saying it lasts too long and to just get you to the game. I personally enjoy the broadcast elements, but at the same time do you really want to have to sit and listen to nantz and simms in the booth for 3-5 minutes before the game? I like the way they did it in these videos I think it's a pretty good 1-2 minute segment and it's to the point and you don't feel like you have to wait forever for the game to start. This is the first video game we have seen to show onscreen commentary at this level, so keep that in mind too. I do agree that we should see both Nantz and Simms talking onscreen though.

Well, I do think they took this into consideration. I think that is why it does feel rushed. Personally, I like the idea of making something feel finished. That is the problem i see with in booth commentary. I think when you open up to that idea, you kind of forced yourself to epand on it to the point it feels finished. That is probably why nobody else has tried to tackle it. I won't argue that no matter how good they do, at some point i will probably skip it 90% of the time. However, when i think back to NFL 2k5(and I know it is now dated) what i liked about the presentation was it felt complete. You could tell they knew what they wanted to do, and they did it well. I guess my issue is this. On the things I am most passionate about, I like to give my all and make sure the job is complete. So many years now madden has felt rushed and incomplete. I would love to see them tackle all aspects of the development process with the idea we are going to nail everything we decide to put in the game. I would rather see no in booth commentary at all, then to see it one time and then it is forgotten. To me, it is like building the idea of a booth TV broadcast look, and then saying lets switch to on the field after we show it.

In short, I do agree with you. There are so many people that will skip this, and I am sure i will do it often myself. I just think if they are going to introduce this feature, it has to feel complete.

I try to keep telling myself we are all different. And who knows, EA might be right on the way they create the game for themselves. It's just not the way I like my games done personally. I think it leads to things like the Apex videos personally.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by wheelman990

Well, I do think they took this into consideration. I think that is why it does feel rushed. Personally, I like the idea of making something feel finished. That is the problem i see with in booth commentary. I think when you open up to that idea, you kind of forced yourself to epand on it to the point it feels finished. That is probably why nobody else has tried to tackle it. I won't argue that no matter how good they do, at some point i will probably skip it 90% of the time. However, when i think back to NFL 2k5(and I know it is now dated) what i liked about the presentation was it felt complete. You could tell they knew what they wanted to do, and they did it well. I guess my issue is this. On the things I am most passionate about, I like to give my all and make sure the job is complete. So many years now madden has felt rushed and incomplete. I would love to see them tackle all aspects of the development process with the idea we are going to nail everything we decide to put in the game. I would rather see no in booth commentary at all, then to see it one time and then it is forgotten. To me, it is like building the idea of a booth TV broadcast look, and then saying lets switch to on the field after we show it. In short, I do agree with you. There are so many people that will skip this, and I am sure i will do it often myself. I just think if they are going to introduce this feature, it has to feel complete. I try to keep telling myself we are all different. And who knows, EA might be right on the way they create the game for themselves. It's just not the way I like my games done personally. I think it leads to things like the Apex videos personally.

"They will never introduce the guys in the booth(only one says a line to boot), and near instantly throw it down to the field"

The video I posted proves otherwise, except for they do show Simms and Nantz both talking.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by ChaseB

*Looks at title under user name* Hey, wait a second, I wasn't on this podcast! (But I did listen to every Phil and Jim game last year.)

Your name was mentioned, though, so, that must mean something.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by wheelman990

I just saw this podcast and was very disappointed with what I saw at the 18:45 min mark. Had to comment- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCsrTjYLVI Once again, just my personal opinion, don't mean to step on anybody's toe's or tear down their game. 19:19- Simm's voice is much louder then nantz was and sounds like different compression settings were used too(much more dynamic). Might not notice on a laptop, but my studio monitors exploited it with ease. Anyway, minor I guess, but should be adjusted 19;19-Also, should have showed Simm's talking briefly before it left the studio and faded down to field 19:37-should have faded back into the booth as Nance starts talking again. To long time shown on field when they have only begun to show the broadcasters in the booth and they are still talking. Makes me start wondering where the guys in the both went to, and can't help but think they have to appear again at some point....right???? 20:08-Since we didn't get to see the rest, lets just assume that is the end of the booth/pre game/ and game starts. This is actually when the guys in the booth should have said a line that threw it back to the field and then the camera fade to the field again (for last time)to show for kickoff or whatever they were starting to do towards video end. At least cut to the guys in the booth twice during pregame!! Its so incomplete! Honestly, I am sorry but this is not great audio video presentation. I know many of you probably think I am just being critical, but I am really speaking the truth on this. It isn't done right, and neither are the cut scenes. watch any NFL game. They will never introduce the guys in the booth(only one says a line to boot), and near instantly throw it down to the field(Simm's doesn't even get to speak!) and then wait so long to come back to the booth while showing unimportant unrelated footage what seams like forever. It should have briefly showed the field for a bit (on something relevant to their comments) and gone back to the booth. After the guys say their little pregame speeches, then it goes back down to the field for the game kickoff or whatever. For all I care, at this point they don't have to show the guys in the booth until the end of every quarter, but at least finish the opening scene correctly. Personally I would cut to the guys in the booth every once in a while after some kickoffs,timeouts,etc.....just like real TV. Tapping A could always skip it and they could finish the short conversation during play calling screen, huddle, and even into next play,etc... Like i said, if they nail this presentation I will be the first to come on here and say how great they are. I don't see it. I can understand some of you guys who aren't into actually doing this stuff might not see what is wrong, but i can tell you this is going to get stale fast. It looks like random scenes thrown together with no plan in place, no vision. Someone on the EA audio dev team needs better vision. he needs to know what he wants to do and execute it realistically. I think they have too many departments that have their own vision and nobody laying out the detailed script for all devisions of the team to follow. Like I said, it looks very random and thrown together. Some good cut scenes and commentary there, but it doesn't flow at all. It isn't pieced together with team VISION.

Good critique, you should be able to better critique the game play audio on June 4th. They show cased us an old mix.

According to the podcast I just listened from the previous page over lunch, they want to be in the same ball park as other top commentary games.

We'll see.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Good critique, you should be able to better critique the game play audio on June 4th. They show cased us an old mix. According to the podcast I just listened from the previous page over lunch, they want to be in the same ball park as other top commentary games. We'll see.

Did you see the video I posted a couple posts ago? It pretty much proves that they do, or at least will at times throw it down to the field almost instantly in real life.

[wheelman990]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Did you see the video I posted a couple posts ago? It pretty much proves that they do, or at least will at times throw it down to the field almost instantly in real life.

That was probably off a commercial break but yes they did cut to the field quickly(although it cut to game start, not warm ups,etc). I actually like the way they did it better then Madden's and this is kind of what I had in mind with my last comment on them saying something quick and then going down to the field for kickoff. My main complaint was the fact poor Simm's didn't even get to say anything with the camera on him,lol. I didn't think they would want to scrap their work, so bringing them back into the booth for a 10-15 second clip would give Simm's a chance to speak and complete it, and also give a nice look IMO on fading it down to the kickoff.

I think your video is exactly how I would have done this. It keeps the entire Nantz/Simm's portion of the pregame intro short and it felt complete. Time was giving to Nantz and Sim's in front of camera to speak and they said what needed to be said to get the game started. The way madden did it just didn't flow IMO. Went from feeling like a pregame to a kickoff in a way that wasn't smooth.

I'd love to see player intro's again (comepleted) and then kick it over to something like your above video with nanyz and Simm's. that would be pretty awesome. again, were all different. Some might not think my idea is a good one.

As long as EA's intro flows and feels complete, I will like it. How they piece together their scenes makes a huge difference

I do think the guys in the booth have to be shown a few times per game, or it's going to feel weird. Like i said, it has to feel complete. Seeing them once feels very unfinished to me because once you open up to a in booth view, you have to keep up with it. I like the idea of cutting to the booth briefly before halftime show, and again at game end. maybe after a extra point(drive review-can skip) and maybe in 4th quarter to show some key moment in game highlights(like they do on TV). Again, all these can be skipped. While this is a lot of work, it will make that feature be something that is remembered for years to come. Some people adjust sliders for full length game and would welcome extended scenes.

[jpdavis82]

I agree, here's how I think it should work.

Show Nantz and Simms during the pregame, then again at halftime before the kickoff to start the 2nd half, then in the postgame to do a game recap.

I just tweeted this idea to Mike Young and Matt Bialosuknia btw

[slashpg88]

nothing too impressive about this