NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents

[TajDeni]

after reading thru alot of the post i always find it interesting how a group of ppl can sit down to watch the same nba game on tv and yet all see the same even thru different eyes...

1 think i really dislike is when ppl use that Jay-Z line: Men lie, Women lie, but numbers dont. Well heres another line: Theres lies, damned lies, and stats. meaning that while stats dont lie, ppl can manipulate stats to say whatever they want them to say. i know you guys see it on ESPN all the time. They'll say so n so player is the 1st player since so no so player to avg 28pts,7rebs,7ast to make their claims, yet another player will be avgn 30pts, 6rebs, 9ast. whats really the difference in greatness? but they manipulated the stats to say whatever agenda they wanted to get across.

lets use another ex, because it gets alot of pub every yr...Clutch!

every yr ESPN do an article on how KB24 is not clutch, every yr. and they use all these stats to show you how x # of players are really more clutch than Kobe. Now the numbers they are using are true, i mean if Kobe missed x # out of x # of shots, thats what it is. But heres what they dont tell you, they dont tell you the circumstances surrounding those shots. and im going to give some ex next.

stats guys will tell you that Melo is more "Clutch" than say Kobe. and from a purely mathmatical % stand point he is. meaning Melo may make 45 out of 100 shots in clutch situations. whereas Kobe may make 25 out of 100 shots in clutch situations. so by this purely mathmatical pov, Melo is more clutch. but again that does take into account the magitude of the game or situation. 4ex when Lakers were playing the nuggets in the playoffs every yr, who was the player hitting all the clutch shots...Kobe or Melo. in 2008 when the Nuggets had the Lakers on the ropes and primed to go to the finals...where did Melo's ability to hit all those clutch shots go? yet is was Kobe who hit big shot after big shot to pull the lakers thru. you see what im saying about how stats cant tell you the entire picture.

lets look at another ex, lets go back to 2008 Olympics, during majority of the games Lebron was clearly the best player out there on the court followed closely bu Dwade. While Kobe settled in as a defensive stopper and struggle on offense for the vast majority of the tourny...cept for 2 games. and what games where those you might ask...the only 2 games USA had a serious chance to lose. I think against Lithuania and against Spain in the title game. Yet at the same time which 2 games was Lebron a no show...you guessed it, Lithuanina and against Spain.

everyone know both Kobe and Lebron got into foul trouble in the champ game, and that in teh 1st half Dwade carried the Redeam Team, yet in the 2nd half when the game was in the balance Kobe took over and seperated himself on a team of Superstars...where was Lebron? he was nowhere to be found.

i remember late in that game with the game still up 4 grabs, a tech happened somehow and Chris Paul was going to the FT line. Kobe taps him on the shoulders and ask for the ball to shoot the FTs. without hestitation CP3 gave up the ball, Kobe sank both. Who does that? who ask for the ball from CP3? thats unheard of, CP3 like an 80+% FT shooter. the entire USA basketball community was OK with CP3 taking those shots. No other player on the team approached CP3, not Lebron, not Dwade, not Carmelo, yet Kobe walked over to him and asked for the ball. Why?

some will say Kobe wanted the glory..ok? but i see it differently. I see a convo being understood without the need for words, 1 which CP3 understood comepletely, not that he was scared tho! im just saying he understood why Kobe asked for the ball. Basically by asking for the ball Kobe was saying, if you miss these FT and we lose nomatter what else happened that may have contributed, if we lose the entire world will blame you for the lose. As the 'true best player in the world' (at the time) that is my burden to carry, not yours, so please let me have the ball. and Cp3 understood and gave up the rock.

Thats Clutch, Leadership or whatever else you wanna call it, and stats cant even begin to approach that. so while Lebron was running around telling anyone who would listen how he was the leader of the Redeam Team, when it came down to the real moments of truth he was nowhere to be found, and this is not opinion. anyone who watched those games knows what im typing is the truth. same thing happened with Miami this yr in regards to the relationship btw Lebron and Dwade...yet the media has their agendas to push and most fall 4 it.

my point to all this is that theres a difference btw hitting the clutch shots in game 48 of the reg season and hitting clutch shots in the playoffs or finals where if you dont hit that shot the season is over. stats dont take into account the pressure and magnitude of the moment.

so i dont care what the stats say, if my life was on the line, like if this dude doesnt make this shot, i die! you stat guys can give the ball to Lebron, Melo, or even Dirk (the new hot flavor). Im giving the ball to Kobe, period!

so lets please stop saying how numbers dont lie, because what are numers without ppl and we have already agreed that ppl DO lie. thanks

so i personally understand why alot of folks are somewhat annoyed by the ratings as they currently are. and if ovrs dont matter than get rid of them, irl they dont have ovrs anyways

[Seamo]

Am I right in seeing that Rondo's rating is an 85?? This can't be right.

[1Rose]

Kevin Love an 81?? Dude gets NO love. For people whining about Boozer, the guy was absolutely atrocious in the post season. Showed how weak he was defensively, and couldn't score. If anything 77 is a gift.

Deng still getting no respect in his defensive attributes tho. Meh, I'll just update them with one of the many outstanding roster updates that get posted on here.

[J-H!zZl3]

Quote: Originally Posted by TajDeni

stats guys will tell you that Melo is more "Clutch" than say Kobe. and from a purely mathmatical % stand point he is. meaning Melo may make 45 out of 100 shots in clutch situations. whereas Kobe may make 25 out of 100 shots in clutch situations. so by this purely mathmatical pov, Melo is more clutch. but again that does take into account the magitude of the game or situation. 4ex when Lakers were playing the nuggets in the playoffs every yr, who was the player hitting all the clutch shots...Kobe or Melo. in 2008 when the Nuggets had the Lakers on the ropes and primed to go to the finals...where did Melo's ability to hit all those clutch shots go? yet is was Kobe who hit big shot after big shot to pull the lakers thru. you see what im saying about how stats cant tell you the entire picture.

The Lakers swept the Nuggets in 2008 and even the series in 2009 (which is what you meant to say), the Lakers were never against the ropes or ever trailed in that series.

Nonetheless, I do understand what you are trying to say. While I do not believe that Kobe's mid range shot should be as low as it is, as long as he plays like his real life counterpart, then who cares. Even though I don't use the Lakers when I play 2k games ( I run with the Bucks), if LA plays like they do in real life, I'm happy.

[Colts18]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seamo

Am I right in seeing that Rondo's rating is an 85?? This can't be right.

Probably the best defensive PG in the league. Hish pass ratings. High athletic ratings. High defensive ratings. Need I continue?

Quote: Originally Posted by TajDeni

Very strong points TajDeni.

[ffaacc03]

Stats do unbiasly tell you what you need to know and that is that ... obviously there are circumstances that affect the outcome reflected on the stats, but there is so much that can be accounted in this videogame ... therefor, trying to compensate what is not accounted by altering the things that the game do specifically accounts for, creates unbalance ... also creates room for biase and ultimatelly creates the mess that the 2kinsider does with his edits which translates into a "less authentic" NBA experience.

Attributes should be the reflection of stats and is up to the user (or cpu) to try and mimic what is seen on the NBA and provide that subjective element into the equation with their actions, not by having screwed ratings.

Finally, all players must be under the same scale as a mean to avoid the same issues previously stated.

[Colts18]

Quote: Originally Posted by ffaacc03

Stats do tell you unbiasly what you need to know and that is that ... obviously there are circumstances that affect the outcome reflected on the stats, but there is so much that can be accounted in a videogame ... therefor, trying to compensate what is not accounted by altering the things that the game do accounts for, creates unbalance ... also creates room for biase and ultimatelly creates the mess that the 2kinsider does with his edits which translates into a "less authentic" NBA experience. Attributes should be the reflection of stats and is up to the user (or cpu) to try and mimic what is seen on the NBA and provide that subjective element into the equation with their actions, not by having screwed ratings. Finally, all players must be under the same scale as a mean to avoid the same issues previously stated.

Well wouldn't that be an oxymoron? If the circumstances are different wouldn't that make the argument biased?

[teebee]

Overall means nothing; just look at each guys specialty and if its accurate that's all that matters