NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents

[RedSceptile]

KB2009Champ, I think it's because of his Offensive Rebounding Rate, Defensive Rebounding Rate, and Total Rebounding Rate which are all average for Centers (hits numbers are pretty much in the middle).

[Freak123]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyqua

LOL BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. So a guy who can't run the offense, and is basically a spot up three point shooter, should be in the mid 70s?

If you watched the finals from an unbiased standpoint you would see he did much more than that...sure he didn't command the offense, that's why he's not rated in the 80's. But he definitely drove, got to the line, and finished inside as well. Also, he is a terrific and underrated defender. Those things combine for him to be somewhere between a 73-74.

[KB2009Champ]

Quote: Originally Posted by RedSceptile

KB2009Champ, I think it's because of his Offensive Rebounding Rate, Defensive Rebounding Rate, and Total Rebounding Rate which are all average for Centers (hits numbers are pretty much in the middle).

If they are average then so are Tyson Chandler's. Al actually had better rebounding numbers.

Over last season Chandler average 2.8 off reb, 6.6 def rebound.

Jefferson averaged 2.9 off reb, 6.8 def rebound.

Why does one have a 9.3 rebound rating while the other has a 8.2 rating?

Still doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, where is the consistency? And don't blame it on the playoffs because Chandler's rebounding ratings were higher than Al's in 2k11.

[godsgift2dagame]

Quote: Originally Posted by KB2009Champ

If they are average then so are Tyson Chandler's. Al actually had better rebounding numbers. Over last season Chandler average 2.8 off reb, 6.6 def rebound. Jefferson averaged 2.9 off reb, 6.8 def rebound. Why does one have a 9.3 rebound rating while the other has a 8.2 rating? Still doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, where is the consistency? And don't blame it on the playoffs because Chandler's rebounding ratings were higher than Al's in 2k11.

Chandler is a much better rebounder than Al Jefferson. It's silly trying to argue otherwise. When on the floor, Chandler gobbles up nearly 20% of all available rebounds. Jefferson gets about 16.5% of the rebounds. The reason Al Jefferson's "RPG" were higher is because he played 8 more minutes a game...come on man! Also, Al Jefferson (in general) is a top-5 most overrated player in the past decade or so. It's really ridiculous how people put him on a pedestal as having an "elite" post game simply because his repetoire is so vast -- and despite his lack of scoring efficiency! -- and he's proof that stats don't tell the whole story. He manages to toss up 16 shots a night (and only scores 18.6 ppg!) yet gets to the line 3.5 times a night. Chandler shoots 5.5 times a nigh (and scores 10.1 ppg!) yet gets to the line 4 times a night. Chandler is superior in every which way on the basketball court and rebounding is just ONE of many advantages he has over Jefferson.

[RedSceptile]

http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats....&gp=40&mins=25

Jefferson is in the middle.

[JaySmooov]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zastrin

My New Jersey Nets player ratings: Deron Williams 95 (best PG in the game today!) Brook Lopez 81 (just can't rebound, arguably 2nd best Center in the NBA) Kris Humphries 79 (going to be an 85 if season started) Anthony Morrow 66 (Morrow is a scoring machine)

On your idea that Brook Lopez is the 2nd best center in the game...

Off the top of my head, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, and Andrew Bynum come to mind. Orlando wanted Bynum in exchange for the most dominant C in the game, and Noah would have to go if the Bulls wanted Howard. That says something.

On your "idea" that Deron Williams is the best PG in the NBA...



Chris Paul is easily the best. Why, you may ask?

• Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career).
  
• CP3 holds the record for consecutive games with a steal at 108.
  
• CP3 is 5th player to ever lead the league in assists and steals, and the only player to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons. (07/08 - 08/09). Also led the league in assists and steals three times (also in 10/11), also a record.

If you wanna go strictly by stats, then CP3 averages more points, assists, rebounds, and steals than Deron Williams, both in the regular season and postseason. He also has a higher FG% than Deron Williams in both.

Chris Paul may not be as athletic as Derrick Rose (He is almost just as quick, though Rose is quicker) or focus on offense as much as Deron Williams, but he is the best complete (Offense and Defense) PG in the league PERIOD.


Someone can legitimately argue Derrick Rose based on individual talent and dominance, and I would concede to that argument. Derrick Rose is the best OFFENSIVE PG, but his defense is average at best and he needs to work on shot selection. (This is coming from a Bulls fan and Chicago resident, so I see every game).

CP3 is the best complete PG. He's more comparable to Rondo in the sense that he's a great (although seemingly underrated) defender and he impacts his entire team and makes them better. Trevor Ariza (Watch his highlights against the Lakers for evidence) and Marco Belinelli are prime examples of this.

Williams is good, no doubt, but he's not a great defender or playmaker IMO. Granted, I don't see him much, but while he was in Utah they ran an offense that gave advantages to the post players so he never really had to create in my eyes, or at least as much as CP3. Also, Williams clearly had more talent around him, even in NJ, than CP3 currently does.

My PG rankings (Top 5):
1. CP3
2a. Derrick Rose
2b. Deron Williams
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Rajon Rondo - he would be number 3 if he had a better jumpshot, at least a mid-range.

I think the OVERALL ratings reflect this perfectly. So long as they play as the real-life counterparts, that is.

Just my humble opinion

[blanchard48moh]

Quote: Originally Posted by JaySmooov

On your "idea" that Deron Williams is the best PG in the NBA... Chris Paul is easily the best. Why, you may ask? Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career). CP3 holds the record for consecutive games with a steal at 108. CP3 is 5th player to ever lead the league in assists and steals, and the only player to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons. (07/08 - 08/09). Also led the league in assists and steals three times (also in 10/11), also a record. If you wanna go strictly by stats, then CP3 averages more points, assists, rebounds, and steals than Deron Williams, both in the regular season and postseason. He also has a higher FG% than Deron Williams in both. Chris Paul may not be as athletic as Derrick Rose (He is almost just as quick, though Rose is quicker) or focus on offense as much as Deron Williams, but he is the best complete (Offense and Defense) PG in the league PERIOD. Someone can legitimately argue Derrick Rose based on individual talent and dominance, and I would concede to that argument. Derrick Rose is the best OFFENSIVE PG, but his defense is average at best and he needs to work on shot selection. (This is coming from a Bulls fan and Chicago resident, so I see every game). CP3 is the best complete PG. He's more comparable to Rondo in the sense that he's a great (although seemingly underrated) defender and he impacts his entire team and makes them better. Trevor Ariza (Watch his highlights against the Lakers for evidence) and Marco Belinelli are prime examples of this. Williams is good, no doubt, but he's not a great defender or playmaker IMO. Granted, I don't see him much, but while he was in Utah they ran an offense that gave advantages to the post players so he never really had to create in my eyes, or at least as much as CP3. Also, Williams clearly had more talent around him, even in NJ, than CP3 currently does. My PG rankings (Top 5): 1. CP3 2a. Derrick Rose 2b. Deron Williams 4. Russell Westbrook 5. Rajon Rondo - he would be number 3 if he had a better jumpshot, at least a mid-range. I think the OVERALL ratings reflect this perfectly. So long as they play as the real-life counterparts, that is. Just my humble opinion

That is the loudest humble opinion I have ever seen in my life.

[JaySmooov]

Quote: Originally Posted by blanchard48moh

That is the loudest humble opinion I have ever seen in my life.

Haha I just didn't want it to seem like I was attacking him necessarily, because it is just an opinion. Guess it's not too humble, though