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[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Please man, rebounding in general has been broken and awful in Live this entire generation... how in the world are you going to point to one game in the entire series?? Its one of the things people have been asking to fix for years. It has nothing to do with canned animations as it was rebounding needed major work MAJOR. People arent really identifying the real problems

I know you're a mod but you need to step back on this one, chief. The post I was responding to seemed to ask why canned animations were bad, and how they affected the game negatively. The tipped rebounding in live 10 was the most recent and, to me, most clear cut example of why canned animations are so bad, especially considering that there is a clear analog in the other game, where those tips aren't predetermined.

[PRAY IV M3RCY]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

I'm not really sure what you mean here, but the biggest problem in gaming in general are animations that the user has no control over. For example, in Live last year there were 2-player animations that would force a user-controlled player to jump and commit a foul, even if the user did not command the jump. The game simply jumped for him. It was the single most frustrating thing about the game, and pretty much negated any fun that was to be had in driving to the basket (because your success rate was basically random and predicated on which predetermined animation was going to play) or in playing center (because position and action selection (to jump or not to jump) were basically irrelevant, as you'd occasionally get bailed out on bad positioning because you got sucked into the offensive player. Basically, particularly on defense in the pain, you could just select a player and put the controller down, and the game would play itself. Post entry passes were also a bigtime problem, as you would have to manually pull your offensive post entry receiver away from any contact so as to not get sucked into an animation that resulted in a turnover. No bueno. The other game definitely has some issues like that (the charge animation in 2k10 was particularly egregious) but in general there weren't many times where a play happened without some user input. One could consistently avoid fouls as a big defending the paint and could be reasonably assured that intelligent basketball decisions (like jumping straight up instead of toward an offensive player) would be rewarded with the proper feedback (no call instead of a foul). Both games had their strengths last year. To me Live was much better on offense, while 2k was much better on defense. Live had a much better playcalling and halfcourt game, while 2k had a much better fastbreak game. But to your original point, animations where the user has no control over the outcome of the animation are a scourge on gaming. Control is king. Hopefully, in time, the look of elite will catch up to the alleged control, but until then, if the dev team can live up to their promises, this game will set a new standard for how bball games should play. It may not set the standard in terms of looks (especially with generic dribble styles), but play wise it should be very rewarding.

yea, but what you are talking about, is something that hasnt been seen yet. Sure the way Elite is going could set the standard for basketball games, but not as it is right now. Visuals do matter, and so does control, and balancing these things out is the standard for a great basketball game.

[Dawgthem]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

I know you're a mod but you need to step back on this one, chief. The post I was responding to seemed to ask why canned animations were bad, and how they affected the game negatively. The tipped rebounding in live 10 was the most recent and, to me, most clear cut example of why canned animations are so bad, especially considering that there is a clear analog in the other game, where those tips aren't predetermined.

Okay wait---------so what are you saying?...who -

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dawgthem

Okay wait---------so what are you saying?...who -

I quote the posts I respond to.

The responses to your posts about canned animations are pretty clearly highlighted, as they contain your posts in them.

[Dawgthem]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

I quote the posts I respond to. The responses to your posts about canned animations are pretty clearly highlighted, as they contain your posts in them.

Yea but in Elite wasn't the tipped rebound always going to the one who originally tipped it?

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by PRAY IV M3RCY

yea, but what you are talking about, is something that hasnt been seen yet. Sure the way Elite is going could set the standard for basketball games, but not as it is right now. Visuals do matter, and so does control, and balancing these things out is the standard for a great basketball game.

Of course. That's why I said IF the devs live up to their promises, it sets a new standard for control and player interaction in a basketball game. Visually it's not going to be there yet because they have stripped away a lot of the animations (at least in certain areas) in favor of control (or at least, that's what they're saying). Hopefully, if it all works out, new, better animations will replace the old ones (especially in dribbling packages) and we'll get a game that looks as organic as it (hopefully) feels.

The first NHL that used this type of system had pretty much every guy handle the stick in the same way, so as to create consistency for users input across the board. Once that consistency is established, it's time then to start loading the animations onto the system to create variety.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dawgthem

Yea but in Elite wasn't the tipped rebound always going to the one who originally tipped it?

In Live last year that's exactly what happened. That's what I said.

"What they're talking about is something like tipped rebounds in 10, where the first guy to tip the ball was always going to get it, since the ball was not live at the time."

When I said "especially considering that there is a clear analog in the other game, where those tips aren't predetermined." I was talking about 2k.

[Dawgthem]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

In Live last year that's exactly what happened. That's what I said. "What they're talking about is something like tipped rebounds in 10, where the first guy to tip the ball was always going to get it, since the ball was not live at the time." When I said "especially considering that there is a clear analog in the other game, where those tips aren't predetermined." I was talking about 2k.

See yea but thats also what 23 was saying and you like corrected him like he was wrong only to repeat what he said thats why i was like wait what? did i miss something