Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I get that, I've never thought he was particularly good after the catch. However in 12 seasons he missed one game, he has 940+ receptions and has been outstanding blocker. He's eclipsed 1,000 yards 4 times, has 57 TD's and an 11 YPC average. I think he has to go . I'll still take Antonio Gates over Witten any day of the week.

Oh don't misunderstand, I'm not disputing his HOF credentials.
He is worthy.

I just hate him.

[The15thunter]

willis - yes
lynch - no
witten - yes
briggs - no

[slickdtc]

Witten, Gates, Gonzalez all in. Gonzalez easily, a little pushback against Gates and Witten. Gates had the higher peaks but Witten was just a notch below and has done it so consistently.

I think Gronk will make it as well as Graham barring them losing significant time to injuries considering it's already happened to both. They're the "next" wave of Gates/Witten.

I think I already said so but I'd put Willis in the HOF on a down year, which will be tough because there's probably not many down years. It's purely based on longevity, but even for just the 7 years he's been insanely good. He embodied everything you want in a LB. Simply great. Just speaking of him this way, it's kind of a sign he deserves to be in the HOF. To have that "short" of a career and still be seriously considered speaks volumes.

[KG]

I actually think if Marshawn has 2 more productive years and the Seahawks make a push for the SB he should get in. Bettis will probably finish with 1-2k more yards but Marshawn's playoff #'s already far exceed Jerome's. He's got a better YPC, a much better receiver, and notable playoff performances.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by KG

I actually think if Marshawn has 2 more productive years and the Seahawks make a push for the SB he should get in. Bettis will probably finish with 1-2k more yards but Marshawn's playoff #'s already far exceed Jerome's. He's got a better YPC, a much better receiver, and notable playoff performances.

But Bettis was borderline so comparing to him probably isn't the best measure. Especially since you'd have to then start considering the stuff we hate is a factor, like Bettis being a media darling and Lynch "here just so I don't get fined."

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

But Bettis was borderline so comparing to him probably isn't the best measure. Especially since you'd have to then start considering the stuff we hate is a factor, like Bettis being a media darling and Lynch "here just so I don't get fined."

Why not though (apart from the 2nd part of your comment)? IF (i know, assumptions assumptions) Marshawn has another 2 years of consistent production on a team that is one of the strongest teams in the NFC, yet alone entire league, and puts up good postseason #'s he will be in that "fringe" territory but I can see the 2nd part of your comment making it tough for him.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by KG

Why not though (apart from the 2nd part of your comment)? IF (i know, assumptions assumptions) Marshawn has another 2 years of consistent production on a team that is one of the strongest teams in the NFC, yet alone entire league, and puts up good postseason #'s he will be in that "fringe" territory but I can see the 2nd part of your comment making it tough for him.

I don't think it makes sense to ever compare "fringe" players. If he's on the bubble then he has a chance to get in but the odds are still that he doesn't (especially talking about the NFL HOF). Just bc Bettis beat those odds doesn't mean anyone else will. Now if his resume compares to HOF locks, then there'd be a case. Some may argue that your scenario actually puts him above Bettis... don't know that I'd argue against that either. But if he's just knocking on the door, the fact that they opened it for Bettis wouldn't help his case.

[55]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

But Bettis was borderline so comparing to him probably isn't the best measure. Especially since you'd have to then start considering the stuff we hate is a factor, like Bettis being a media darling and Lynch "here just so I don't get fined."

Bettis was actually below borderline.

Nice guy with a cutesy little nickname for all the kiddies, sure.

On the field though, hardly above replacement level other than 1-2 solid seasons. He just benefitted by playing on a team with a run first philosophy for a long time and was extremely lucky with injuries.