The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[NYJetsfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by DieHardYankee26

And we need a new ****ing owner. Apparently the big reason Dolan isn't going to match isn't because of money, but because he feels "betrayed" by Lin.

You are just now realizing this!?

I hate Dolan more than just about anyone in sports. If it wasn't for Carmelo being my favorite player, I'd seriously consider being a basketball widow.

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[DieHardYankee26]

Quote: Originally Posted by NYJetsfan

You are just now realizing this!? I hate Dolan more than just about anyone in sports. If it wasn't for Carmelo being my favorite player, I'd seriously being a basketball widow. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I mean I knew he was an idiot and an incompetent owner for a long time, but even when basketball wasn't on his agenda, at least business was. I mean he's never had any problem spending money because he knows he'll make it back if the team plays well. But to make a decision like this based off of emotion, is ridiculous. I wish there was a way to petition him to sell the team or something, Dolan is the reason I have no faith in this team to succeed, as much as I want them to.

EDIT: It just occurred to me: This must be what Redskins fans feel like.

[bigeastbumrush]

You realize that it's probably not just Dolan that is upset.

Woodson looks like an idiot for saying they'll match and Lin will be their starting PG. Grunwald wanted Lin to test the market so they could give him a comparable deal. Some guys in the locker room aren't happy about things.

If Lin wanted to really stay...he wouldn't have signed HOU's offer sheet. And he would not have had them re-work the deal because NY would've laid out as much money as they could have given him under the rules plus every marketing opportunity that he needs.

Novak had suitors out there and probably could've landed a more player-friendly deal from some other team. But he actually wanted to be here.

The front office has every right to feel slighted. But it doesn't mean they have to make a decision based on emotion...so I agree with you there.

[DieHardYankee26]

Definitely. I'm upset that he redid his contract too, but the Knicks were beyond stupid to show their hand on this. They said he's the starter, that they'd match up to "a billion". What if Lin didn't go back and redo it and the Rockets just upped the ante to make sure they got him?

The if Lin really wanted to be here narrative doesn't work. I mean that could be said of almost any player in the league. If Melo really wanted to be here and win wouldn't he have just waited to sign as a free agent? Wouldn't he have taken less money so that the team would be able to afford more talent? You can't blame the guy who's been bouncing around the league for trying to gain some security. I don't like it in the slightest, but I understand it. I still don't think he should've done it and it's upsetting that he did, but it makes sense from his standpoint.

And maybe he would've signed the Knicks contract if they had even offered it to him. They are the ones who told him to go see what he could get. They didn't even offer the man a contract, and it bit them in the *** financially.

[bigeastbumrush]

Quote: Originally Posted by DieHardYankee26

Definitely. I'm upset that he redid his contract too, but the Knicks were beyond stupid to show their hand on this. They said he's the starter, that they'd match up to "a billion". What if Lin didn't go back and redo it and the Rockets just upped the ante to make sure they got him? The if Lin really wanted to be here narrative doesn't work. I mean that could be said of almost any player in the league. If Melo really wanted to be here and win wouldn't he have just waited to sign as a free agent? Wouldn't he have taken less money so that the team would be able to afford more talent? You can't blame the guy who's been bouncing around the league for trying to gain some security. I don't like it in the slightest, but I understand it. I still don't think he should've done it and it's upsetting that he did, but it makes sense from his standpoint. And maybe he would've signed the Knicks contract if they had even offered it to him. They are the ones who told him to go see what he could get. They didn't even offer the man a contract, and it bit them in the *** financially.

How were they showing their hand? They were showing their support and confidence in him after the Nash deal fell through. He's our starter, he's our guy.

Why would Carmelo take less than a max deal at the level he was playing at?

I can't blame Lin or his agents for trying to get the most money he can get. But his shock of how he's surprised that the Knicks might not match doesn't add up based on his own actions.

They didn't offer him a contract not with the intention of not bringing him back. They were going to take care of other team needs with the full intention of matching until he re-worked the deal in his favor. As much right as Lin has to do that..they have all the right to take the full 3 days to change their mind too if they feel it is not in their favor.

[DieHardYankee26]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigeastbumrush

How were they showing their hand? They were showing their support and confidence in him after the Nash deal fell through. He's our starter, he's our guy. Why would Carmelo take less than a max deal at the level he was playing at? I can't blame Lin or his agents for trying to get the most money he can get. But his shock of how he's surprised that the Knicks might not match doesn't add up based on his own actions. They didn't offer him a contract not with the intention of not bringing him back. They were going to take care of other team needs with the full intention of matching until he re-worked the deal in his favor. As much right as Lin has to do that..they have all the right to take the full 3 days to change their mind too if they feel it is not in their favor.

They should have just waited until after he had actually signed an offer sheet before they started saying things like "We'll match no matter what" and "We'll definitely match he's our starter". They didn't wait, and Houston tested them.

Why would Lin take less than he can to stay with the team when there's another that's willing to give him more money for it? How much did Melo really want to be in New York? Would he have taken less money to come here? Well based on what happened there, I doubt it. You see how that works? They told him to go out and find his value, then they are upset when he does. Should he be shocked that they might not match? Probably not, but when they're saying they will match no matter what and he's their starter, maybe he is a little shocked. Should he have reworked the contract? Obviously not. Did he? I don't even know if he did or didn't and I'm seeing how easily the media can flip the switch.

Alan Hahn went on and on about how the Knicks should and would match no matter what, only to go onto the radio yesterday and suddenly it might not be worth it as he's a bad teammate and has a false sense of entitlement. For all I know he never reworked his contract, the original was never on the table, he was never upset at the organization, etc. I don't know. I wasn't there in the negotiating room. I agree they have all the right in the world to use the full 3 days and all the right in the world to not match if they feel that is the right move, but they said go find your value, and he did. Now it's their move.

[bigeastbumrush]

What does Melo have to do with this.

And since when do teams not talk about their own FAs? Did Billy King and Avery Johnson not say that they wanted Deron back every chance they got?

Clearly they didn't want anything to do with Fields so they said nothing publically about him. They wanted Lin so they let it be known. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes it was probably stupid on Woodson's part but it was a vote of confidence to a kid who would've been coming off the bench if they landed Nash.

Quote: Originally Posted by DieHardYankee26

Why would Lin take less than he can to stay with the team when there's another that's willing to give him more money for it?

He wouldn't be taking less. Both teams would be paying him the same amount. He would just cost the Knicks more because of the luxury tax.

[NYJetsfan]

Sorry if this has been asked already and I admittedly don't know much about the CBA....can we do a sign and trade with Lin so we at least get something in return?

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