NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Power Forwards

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD

What angers me is that prime Dirk Nowitzki is only an 85 when he's every bit as good if not better than Aldridge and Griffin.

What angers me is that I've been saying for the last month that the "Hall of Fame rating system" is over-hyped marketing trash, due in part to YEARS of saying the PF formula is clear-cut garbage.

And here we are.

SHOOTING GUARDS
94 - Allen Iverson (2001)
88 - Joe Dumars (1989)
86 - Richard Hamilton (2004)
85 - Michael Cooper (1987)
84 - Byron Scott (1987)
82 - Larry Hughes (2007)

POWER FORWARDS
90 - Karl Malone (1998)
86 - Tim Duncan (1998)
85 - Dirk Nowitzki (2003)

Please please please someone tell me I'm wrong. Because I'm not. This is ****ing pathetic.

Edit: Regarding Griffin and Aldridge, their rebound/defense ratings will be stupid overrated per usual, par for the course when 2K wants a PF to have a high rating, because lying to your consumer over a 15-year period is more effective and an efficient use of everyone's time rather than spending like 6 hours re-working an ancient algorithm.

[tt500]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

What angers me is that I've been saying for the last month that the "Hall of Fame rating system" is over-hyped marketing trash, due in part to YEARS of saying the PF formula is clear-cut garbage. And here we are. SHOOTING GUARDS 94 - Allen Iverson (2001) 88 - Joe Dumars (1989) 86 - Richard Hamilton (2004) 85 - Michael Cooper (1987) 84 - Byron Scott (1987) 82 - Larry Hughes (2007) POWER FORWARDS 90 - Karl Malone (1998) 86 - Tim Duncan (1998) 85 - Dirk Nowitzki (2003) Please please please someone tell me I'm wrong. Because I'm not. This is ****ing pathetic. Edit: Regarding Griffin and Aldridge, their rebound/defense ratings will be stupid overrated per usual, par for the course when 2K wants a PF to have a high rating, because lying to your consumer over a 15-year period is more effective and an efficient use of everyone's time rather than spending like 6 hours re-working an ancient algorithm.

What would be your workaround to the ratings than?

Dirk ratings makes some sense, being the best stretch 4, he isn't athletic and a decent defender. Even in his prime, what prob seperates the 03 dirk to the 15 dirk is badges.

[AyeBruhChill]

Dirk has been Dirk his whole career. Decent d at his best and a decent rebounder. When you play like Dirk with Dirk (especially older MyTeam incarnations)

He is Ungardable. Bill Russell, Mutumbo, Pink Lebron etc, no one could guard him in 2k15. (I know this from experience.) He is too tall and he post shots and jumper is too easy to get to get perfect. But here's what made him unguardable:

In 2k15 Dirk has the shot creator badge which given his ratings made him unstoppable against natural bigs when used right. Shot creator is a perimeter badge so post lockdown D and (remember Bigs couldnt get lockdown perimeter badges) did nothing. All you had to do was tap Directional tap for the pull up and they'd get lost. And with his range, lethal.

So if 2k didn't "fix" this, those of you that are complaining about Dirks rating, be glad its at a 84.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by tt500

What would be your workaround to the ratings than? Dirk ratings makes some sense, being the best stretch 4, he isn't athletic and a decent defender. Even in his prime, what prob seperates the 03 dirk to the 15 dirk is badges.

2003 Dirk
25.6 PER
58 TS% on 27 USG% with 13 AST%
25 DRB% (career high) and 3 ORB%
1.8 STL% (career high) and 2.0 BLK%

2015 Dirk
19.6 PER (3rd worst)
56 TS% (2nd worst) on 25 USG% with 10 AST% (3rd worst)
20 DRB% (3rd worst) and 2 ORB% (2nd worst)
0.9 STL% (2nd worst) and 1.2 BLK% (WORST)

Dirk has nothing close to the mobility he once had and that is pretty clearly reflected by both stats and eye-balls.

I would have adjusted the PF formula 5-8 years ago and taken away the need for a "workaround". It's insane to me how a game company has a "workaround" for something as simple to fix as this. You can scan your face into the ****ing game, but an updated algorithm apparently requires knowledge of Quantum Physics.

[BluFu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

I would have adjusted the PF formula 5-8 years ago and taken away the need for a "workaround". It's insane to me how a game company has a "workaround" for something as simple to fix as this. You can scan your face into the ****ing game, but an updated algorithm apparently requires knowledge of Quantum Physics.

Some ratings are probably off.. the whole algorithm doesn't need an overhaul because of that.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by BluFu

Some ratings are probably off.. the whole algorithm doesn't need an overhaul because of that.

An opinion clearly not based on any short or long-term research. 2K doesn't need any Stan's to defend them.

[pjt8405]

I've been begging for a overhaul of stretch 4's ratings formula, along with accurate tendencies for all players for years... Nothing yet but I do hold out hope that Stauffer can implement change as he grows with the company.

[stillfeelme]

I have to agree the rating system looks weird when you compare position to position.

It seems bigs are penalized for not being good at skills not needed to succeed at that position. I guess it comes down to bigs need a guard to get them the ball. The overall numbers just don't make sense though when they are trying to say Overall means overall in history.

Dribbling, speed, layup, outside scoring, perimeter defense, playmaking passing are lowering these bigs.

Where rebounding, inside defense, strength is not really penalizing the guards.