2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by Buehrle56

I was thinking more in the terms of them using Viciedo at 3rd, he is one originally and i don't think Chris Johnson or Juan Francisco is the answer. Thanks for the input on the Lincecum trade, i thought it was a stretch and yeah i should wait and see on Courtney Hawkins.

Yeah, I guess I overlooked 3B mostly due to Viciedo's defensive limitations. But that actually makes some sense. Juan Francisco will probably get 1st crack this year, but he's hardly a sure thing. I think your original trade would be a possibility if ATL thinks Viciedo can play third for them. Viciedo only played a tiny bit of third in the bigs and not any since 2010 where his FP was a paltry 0.897, but I suppose his bat could justify that. Chipper wasn't exactly a vacuum cleaner over there near the end of his career either.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mightymason

I have a question sorry if its been free hard to go back and tea everything. Lets days the person value on the chart is a high B does the mean potential or is there overall at start a b if someone could clarify would help me alot thanks

Trade value on the spreadsheet is all-inclusive as possible here. It takes into account how good a player is, how critical a player is to their team, the potential aspect, and any mitigating factors like a bad contract or the "injury prone" label.

So, the goal would be to match a player that has a "mid-B" value for example to another player that has "mid-B" value and use that as a starting point for negotiations. Certainly things like matching salary and team needs should be considered as well.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by BBallcoach

LOL yeah i want to use the 'Stros too but so many people here are. I might choose the Mets. go full rebuild mode and trade Wright and Santana... I need to bring up the value guide AC made! Get me some nice prospects! Edit: Now the value sheet says 2 high C's for Santana... Could I get a high B and throw in D for him or is that unrealistic? I'll have to look at prospects for other teams once the OSFM's come out (only know the Sox farm system)

You know the "near matching" of trade value is actually a good question, and I think that's the place where human input in this thread can be most valuable. For example, low C = low C is easy enough math to do, but what about in trades with uneven numbers of players, and surely a low-c for mid-c might make sense sometimes. Those gray areas I think is where this feedback is most helpful.

As for your Johan Santana question, I think it would matter who exactly you were going for, then it could be discussed. But, I'm not sure hi C + hi C could get up to hi B even if you add a D as filler. I feel like the scale gets steeper the closer you get to A territory, imo.

And some other ideas for rebuilding teams would be Cubs/Marlins/Twins/Pirates/Mariners/Rockies. Each has their own specific (dis)advantages. If you want to have a franchise hitter to start with, the Marlins (Stanton), Pirates (McCutchen), or Rockies (CarGo) might make sense. King Felix (SEA) would be that guy if you wanted a franchise ace. The Twins and Cubs are kind of in limbo right now but also offer some signature players in Mauer or Castro. And it could come down to which farm system you like best. I feel the Astros obviously give the biggest challenge on all fronts!

[AC]

Quote: Originally Posted by MattGarza13

I could also add Max Kepler, would it be realistic at all though?

Realistic, not fair

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

HOU gets: Gerardo Parra + Patrick Corbin AZ gets: J.D. Martinez + John Ely + Wesley Wright

Gotta give much more than that tbh

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by ACMilan99

Gotta give much more than that tbh

How about upping the SP from John Ely to Bud Norris...

Give: J.D. Martinez/Norris/Wright

Get: Parra/Corbin

Is that now giving too much or in the ballpark?

[AC]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

How about upping the SP from John Ely to Bud Norris... Give: J.D. Martinez/Norris/Wright Get: Parra/Corbin Is that now giving too much or in the ballpark?

Too much, haha. Gotta find a happy medium.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

Not really sure Moises Sierra is an upgrade for them. He'd kind of get stuck in that Maxwell/Martinez^2 OF. What about a pitching prospect like Danny Barnes? Wesley Wright is sadly one of Houston's best trade chips...

I don't think Danny Barnes are in my rosters. I don't even know who he is lol.

[BOSKY!]

After testing out a few teams in franchise mode with budgets on, I've found out that loading up on cheap, B's and A's potential players and trading them for studs is more valuable than Free Agency. Visa Versa, trading your veteran or highly priced guys for multiple A's and B's, regardless of position (I almost always trade for pitching, can't have enough) you can quickly build a winner.

Just started the Twins franchise which I'll play till Knights rosters come out, just made a good trade to dump salary as we're 18 games out.

J. Morneau

for

3 A rated SP's from Rays, ie, my future starting rotation.

[BBallcoach]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

You know the "near matching" of trade value is actually a good question, and I think that's the place where human input in this thread can be most valuable. For example, low C = low C is easy enough math to do, but what about in trades with uneven numbers of players, and surely a low-c for mid-c might make sense sometimes. Those gray areas I think is where this feedback is most helpful. As for your Johan Santana question, I think it would matter who exactly you were going for, then it could be discussed. But, I'm not sure hi C + hi C could get up to hi B even if you add a D as filler. I feel like the scale gets steeper the closer you get to A territory, imo. And some other ideas for rebuilding teams would be Cubs/Marlins/Twins/Pirates/Mariners/Rockies. Each has their own specific (dis)advantages. If you want to have a franchise hitter to start with, the Marlins (Stanton), Pirates (McCutchen), or Rockies (CarGo) might make sense. King Felix (SEA) would be that guy if you wanted a franchise ace. The Twins and Cubs are kind of in limbo right now but also offer some signature players in Mauer or Castro. And it could come down to which farm system you like best. I feel the Astros obviously give the biggest challenge on all fronts!

Ok Solid B then with a D throw in... Sounds plausible?

I want a team in total disarray the Stros in AL fit the bill perfectly and the Mets and Miami fit it in the NL, but the problem Miami might be a good one too at least I would have a young stud to build around... But I think I'm going Mets... seems really intriguing.