Madden NFL 25 Videos (Taken by Attendees From Recent Community Event)

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by infemous

I kinda disagree, only because it simply should not be possible for these things to be successful. You should be able to roll right immediately... if you want to get sacked immediately. You should be able to roll off to the right and throw a bullet crossfield... If you wanna see the ball hit the turf or get picked off... You should be able to bounce every run outside... If you want to get tackled for a loss all the time... You should be able to drop back 20 yards... If you wanna see your QB throw the ball into the back of his O-Line's head or get chased down by a DE. (this one really grinds my gears actually... if you drop back 20 yards, you should get caught.. In Madden QBs can drop back faster than they can run... I've honestly been caught my Terrance Cody when trying to run away from him with Sam Bradford, yet Gerald McCoy can't reach Tom Brady when he's dropping back... Thats bullcrap) The devs cater and allow this cheesy crap by not grounding the game in real physics and for having such poor CPU AI. Just look at the pursuit angles on the huge run at the end of the 4th QTR play.

I hear your point and think it's valid, however.... it's not really realistic imo.

No game and no developers in the world will ever account for every possible outcome of every possible movement. That's just impossible because it is a game, not even japanese robots are able to adapt to each and every thing that happens randomly in their environment, they have to be somewhat programmed.

To clarify my point, what your saying would be like some saying they should be able to run to center field while running the bases on MLB the Show; as in, I hit the ball between CF & RF but instead of going for a double I want to run my player into CF.... Now there is no reason why shouldn't be able to do this (and obviously be caught out) but I can't do it in the game, WHY? Because the game is not programmed and can't account for such things.

You can't expect artificial characters to be humans; again, I'm by no means justifying the gameplay EA has produced in this gen, but I do believe the game is programmed thinking people are gonna follow some "basic" football concepts and when humans find exploits (sprinting right....) it is really hard for the game to adjust.

Granted, the success rate of these "cheese" plays should be much much lower than it is in Madden now, but I don't think it should be expected of the game to be prepared for people cheesing like that.

EDIT: I don't want this to be confused with a defense to EA's gameplay... I think it lacks lots of physics/logic principles... but I do believe the way "community events attendees" play the game does have an effect on the way gameplay is represented.

[infemous]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

I hear your point and think it's valid, however.... it's not really realistic imo. No game and no developers in the world will ever account for every possible outcome of every possible movement. That's just impossible because it is a game, not even japanese robots are able to adapt to each and every thing that happens randomly in their environment, they have to be somewhat programmed. To clarify my point, what your saying would be like some saying they should be able to run to center field while running the bases on MLB the Show; as in, I hit the ball between CF & RF but instead of going for a double I want to run my player into CF.... Now there is no reason why shouldn't be able to do this (and obviously be caught out) but I can't do it in the game, WHY? Because the game is not programmed and can't account for such things. You can't expect artificial characters to be humans; again, I'm by no means justifying the gameplay EA has produced in this gen, but I do believe the game is programmed thinking people are gonna follow some "basic" football concepts and when humans find exploits (sprinting right....) it is really hard for the game to adjust. Granted, the success rate of these "cheese" plays should be much much lower than it is in Madden now, but I don't think it should be expected of the game to be prepared for people cheesing like that. EDIT: I don't want this to be confused with a defense to EA's gameplay... I think it lacks lots of physics/logic principles... but I do believe the way "community events attendees" play the game does have an effect on the way gameplay is represented.

I understand what you're saying, but these exploits aren't new and they still work all the time.

I mean literally, all they need to do is put in a parameter for a QB dropback: if within a certain yardage of the LOS, the accuracy is true to ratings... If not? They are put to zero and the throw is wild.

If a certain percentage of plays by a player is a small percentage of their playbook, the success of those plays should be reduced etc.
These are things that can be easily put in to counter act the hallmarks of cheese, yet we see the same exploits every year.

I personally play within a certain set of rules, but CPU AI is so atrocious I can't enjoy single player play, while online leagues, even if sim, will always have debates about what constitutes sim play and what doesn't. Whats also frustrating is that a player may be completely sim during the regular season, but playing them in the playoffs you learn they are youtube players... or know how to play like one, which is already too late.

I understand that you aren't defending them, but I just believe that there are measures EA should take to stop this BS, while SIM play, by inviting true SIM players to their community events too.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by LionsFanNJ

These vids don't excite me at all. Looks like 2 years away from Madden for me. I'll stick to NCAA. I'm having fun there. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 4 Beta

People said the same thing about the NCAA 14 videos too. Have to play the game first.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by infemous

I understand what you're saying, but these exploits aren't new and they still work all the time. I mean literally, all they need to do is put in a parameter for a QB dropback: if within a certain yardage of the LOS, the accuracy is true to ratings... If not? They are put to zero and the throw is wild. If a certain percentage of plays by a player is a small percentage of their playbook, the success of those plays should be reduced etc. These are things that can be easily put in to counter act the hallmarks of cheese, yet we see the same exploits every year. I personally play within a certain set of rules, but CPU AI is so atrocious I can't enjoy single player play, while online leagues, even if sim, will always have debates about what constitutes sim play and what doesn't. Whats also frustrating is that a player may be completely sim during the regular season, but playing them in the playoffs you learn they are youtube players... or know how to play like one, which is already too late. I understand that you aren't defending them, but I just believe that there are measures EA should take to stop this BS, while SIM play, by inviting true SIM players to their community events too.

You speak the truth!

I think the big problem is they have no paramaters to set up "AI rules" for this type of actions.... there's no data or evidence to help determine what the success rate of a throw should be when a QB drops back 15+ yds or when QB sprints right for no reason since it doesn't really happen in football, thus making it hard to quantify it or create a formula for this in Madden.

However, at the same time I feel like I'm giving EA too much credit by thinking they've tried to set up limits for this cheese play but have been limited by the lack of data to do so. LOL

[dat boi Q]

You sim guys have to understand that this game isn't made for you.
Just look at the players they choose as gamechangers. It's not about them coming to make a better game for sim players its about bringing in popular YouTube personnel to put up cheesy videos for other cheesy players. It's all PR people. Next gen will be no different. Just watch next gen video from e3 look at the animations they are the exact same as current gen you know why because
THEY ARE USING THE SAME ENGINE from this gen and just slapping ignite engine on top of it.

[jclentzthadon]

What doesn't excite me is EA using these 2 buffoons to provide input into the making if the game.

[msdm27]

BUFFOON = English's most underrated word!

[dat boi Q]

Quote: Originally Posted by jclentzthadon

What doesn't excite me is EA using these 2 buffoons to provide input into the making if the game.

That's my point.
Actions speck louder then words.
By bringing in these casuals just proves to me that a simulation football game is not the goal with madden.