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[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Broncos86

Sliders are nothing more than an evolution of difficulty setting. I prefer the granular level as opposed to just easy, normal, and hard. If I excel at passing and suck at running (not the base, btw), then I can adjust those as needed to give myself a better experience.

Exactly. Now whether they actually work or not is another story depending on the game, but they are just that, a way to tweak difficulty settings at a granular level. Why someone would be against that idea, I have no idea.

[XtremeDunkz]

I played around with sliders in NBA 2k11 for about 3 months before I finally got the game to play how I wanted to start my official Association and it didn't bother me. That is what sliders are there for, so everyone can tweak the game exactly to their liking.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Exactly. Now whether they actually work or not is another story depending on the game, but they are just that, a way to tweak difficulty settings at a granular level. Why someone would be against that idea, I have no idea.

I'm not totally against sliders, but I think a problem with them is tweaking a slider for one thing will also effect X number of other things in the game. So you want to adjust one part of the game and end up adjusting parts you don't want to.

[Lakers 24 7]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

First the depiction of real life is really different for everyone, and second, the moment you put a controller in a users hand and give them control of the game 9 times out of 10 most of the "realism" goes out the window. Everyone's perception of reality is different. There are a ton of guys here who proclaim themselves to be football "experts" yet really only have a rudimentary knowledge of the game. Sliders are needed to tailor the game to each persons version of reality.

To an extent, but there's enough statistical information out there to make the game accurate out of the box. I just like to see a standard though, especially for online play. Stats don't lie if analyzed correctly.

As long as there are communities where the speed differences, dline, and LB coverage isn't nerfed, I'll be happy. Though I'm still not too enthused about sliders being introduced online.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

I'm not totally against sliders, but I think a problem with them is tweaking a slider for one thing will also effect X number of other things in the game. So you want to adjust one part of the game and end up adjusting parts you don't want to.

I do tweaks in very small increments and I usually get what I want fairly fast. In my experience user play style and play calling style affects things like raw statistics more than anything.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakers 24/7

To an extent, but there's enough statistical information out there to make the game accurate out of the box. I just like to see a standard though, especially for online play. Stats don't lie if analyzed correctly. As long as there are communities where the speed differences, dline, and LB coverage isn't nerfed, I'll be happy. But, I'm still not too enthused about sliders being introduced online.

I think in this case stats can lie. As I said earlier play style and play calling style can certainly and do certainly skew a lot of statistics.

For example I was playing online the other day, and I was flushed from the pocket, I had no real play so I threw the ball away. The guy I was playing said "wow, that's the first time anyone has ever done that" Now honestly what percentage of most players do you think would have attempted to force a pass down the field? 95%, 100%? 3 or 4 plays like that, and stats certainly are out of whack.

[Lakers 24 7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Broncos86

Sliders are nothing more than an evolution of difficulty setting. I prefer the granular level as opposed to just easy, normal, and hard. If I excel at passing and suck at running (not the base, btw), then I can adjust those as needed to give myself a better experience.

This is why I feel like it's a cheat in a way. If someone is bad at a certain aspect, why should they make it easier, instead of trying to get better. I don't get it, but to each his own.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

And it shouldn't take such effort and frustration trying to find a balance through the options, that may unbalance something else, when the game should have much more of a realistic balance out of the box.

Hey look i was just stating that you can use sliders to maximize your playing experience

If you think the game should play 100% SIM out the box then you might want to send a email to EA because as far as my knowledge I've not seen a sports game accomplish that feat.

The closest might have been NBA 2K11 in recent years but even that game required some tweaks or else FG% were off the charts

Then again even with sliders all sports games will still have flaws because at the end of day it's a video game right?