Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by RaiderKtulu

Aren't the cosmetic issues what we want fixed though? I mean, hell, from a pure results standpoint, Madden isn't usually that far off. If that play looked right - it wouldn't piss people off. Proper head tracking and proper use of animations (or actual physics) would go a long way in turning "DAMN CPU CHEATING BS!!!* into "damn... nice play".

The head tracking is cosmetic only. I fully expect a DB in zone to have his head on a swivel and be able to react to that pass.

But the footwork. Though it is also cosmetic, Revis changes direction too quickly for my taste. If he has to plant, maybe even take another step to gather himself before changing direction, and take shorter, choppier steps when excelerating in the other direction, maybe he doesn't make that play.

[mojo6911]

Quote: Originally Posted by RaiderKtulu

I don't think he does, it looks like a 170 degree spin to me. But even if he does, there's still a few things horribly wrong. A. He never looks back at the ball the entire time. Not once. You don't make a leaping catch on a ball you don't see. B. After he changes direction, he takes TWO STEPS and then LEAPS at the 1 with enough force to land 3 yards into the endzone after the catch. No one gets that kind of distance on two steps. The realistic version of that play ends with the ball landing about 5 yards into the endzone with Revis maybe flailing at it as it goes past him out of reach, and the TE probably just watching it hit the ground because he had no chance at it either.

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. I see exactly what you see. He is on a full sprint in one direction towards the RB in the flat, not even looking at the ball, then stops,turns around about 170* to the left, and takes 3 steps and jumps higher than Michael Jordan perfect in position to catch the ball. Gimme a break. You can't turn your back to the ball (if he ever saw it to begin with) and time a jump to be in perfect position to intercept it like that.

Here are some real life examples:



Notice he is looking in the backfield the whole time and is already square to the ball.



This looks similar to the animation, but notice the CB doesn't change direction. He running the same direction the whole time and there is a good 3 seconds from the time he turns his back to the ball to the time he picks it off. The key is that he switched directions BEFORE the ball was in flight, not after it is already out of the QB's hands.

[bxgoods]

Quote: Originally Posted by mojo6911

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. I see exactly what you see. He is on a full sprint in one direction towards the RB in the flat, not even looking at the ball, then stops,turns around about 170* to the left, and takes 3 steps and jumps higher than Michael Jordan perfect in position to catch the ball. Gimme a break. You can't turn your back to the ball (if he ever saw it to begin with) and time a jump to be in perfect position to intercept it like that. Here are some real life examples: Notice he is looking in the backfield the whole time and is already square to the ball. This looks similar to the animation, but notice the CB doesn't change direction. He running the same direction the whole time and there is a good 3 seconds from the time he turns his back to the ball to the time he picks it off. The key is that he switched directions BEFORE the ball was in flight, not after it is already out of the QB's hands.

Revis was strafing with the RB out of the back field. You people act like Revis wasn't facing the QB at all.

He could of easily of been looking at the QB with the corner of his eye.
He's D'ing a RB, and he's an elite CB, do you honestly believe if that happened in real life, Revis would not be keeping his eye on both the RB and QB. And that side of the field was his assignment in a Zone Defense.
Its not hard for an elite CB to make Michael Jordan Catches on a wobler from a QB. If the ball was a bullet and he made that catch I would be upset, but not on a floating duck.

The only issue I have with the play is he turned the wrong direction, in real life, he wouldn't of done a 180 to make that catch. He would of just faced forward the whole time.

[BezO]

And I'm sure most don't read coverage like this in a video game, but I do. A nearby DB that is not aware of when the ball is thrown = not covered, especially if he's headed in the wrong direction. So I guess the ball awareness is more than a cosmetic issue for me, even with a DB playing zone. I've thrown many interceptions because the DB shouldn't have been aware of the ball in time to make a play.

[canes21]

I keep rewatching it and I am just going to say you are not going to be able to change my opinion. Revis was playing a flat zone it looked like and stayed in his zone. Then once the ball was thrown, he took a whole second to get turned around, then another whole second to run and jump. Thats enough time to me. It may not have looked as pretty as possible, but that doesn't mean its unrealistic.

If the ball wasn't a duck and Revis was sprinting full speed and then turned and made the catch, then I would be a bit upset. But when the pass is just wobbling through the air at a slow pace, its okay. Also, I have seen people talk about Revis' jump. Whats so unrealistic about it. It appears to me he is maybe 3 feet off the ground at the max. I'd say more lik 30 inches. Thats not really a lot for a NFL player to jump from a running start. I'd say 99% of college DB's can get 30+ inches on their vertical and thats taken from a standstill.

[Old Mr T]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

I keep rewatching it and I am just going to say you are not going to be able to change my opinion. Revis was playing a flat zone it looked like and stayed in his zone. Then once the ball was thrown, he took a whole second to get turned around, then another whole second to run and jump. Thats enough time to me. It may not have looked as pretty as possible, but that doesn't mean its unrealistic. If the ball wasn't a duck and Revis was sprinting full speed and then turned and made the catch, then I would be a bit upset. But when the pass is just wobbling through the air at a slow pace, its okay. Also, I have seen people talk about Revis' jump. Whats so unrealistic about it. It appears to me he is maybe 3 feet off the ground at the max. I'd say more lik 30 inches. Thats not really a lot for a NFL player to jump from a running start. I'd say 99% of college DB's can get 30+ inches on their vertical and thats taken from a standstill.

I agree with you.

It's Maddens so you've got to ignore the ugly physics to a degree. In relation to the throw, the outcome is fine with me.

[SA1NT401]

Vids does show (prove in my eyes) that locomotion is a MINOR variant added into the already weak player momentum system. I dont think it was that off, but locomotion just doesnt seem to do nearly enough for player physics as i expected. With that said, Revis shouldn have made a nice play and broken up the pass....or had to take an extra second to plant and then head up field probably getting tackled in the process.

Sure, its not nearly as bad as some questionable stuff thus far....But it did look wacky to say the least.


Why is the stadium 80% empty midway throught the 2nd qtr? That also seemed odd....maybe the concession stands were doing 75% off drafts...who knows?

[PVarck31]

Quote: Originally Posted by SincerelYourz

no, revis does not run a 4.0/40...especially while running at an angle...with pads on...

Take it easy there. I was under the assumption he was talking about game speed in general.