Courses?

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by shaunjuan2000

Divot, I cannot get on EA via my ps3 and I don't have a computer, but based on what I put together from descriptions at gamestop, I figured disc courses to be (based on PGA Tour Season): St. Andrews Whistling Straits Pebble Sawgrass Harbour Town Bay Hill Cog Hill TPC Boston East Lake Liberty Nat'l Torrey Pines Firestone Celtic Manor Scottsdale River Course @ Black Wolf Run The Greenbriar Hazeltine Can we confirm the disc course list? Also, are there going to be more than 17 tournaments in a season? Obviously, they would need to repeat course if they do that. One final thng does the Major events in career mode use different courses each year?

Cam is asking around the office for the answer as he does not work on that part of the game...

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

And you are dismissing completely the added cost of doing so. Comparing a game like Forza that sells in the tens of millions of copies to a game like Tiger that sells a couple million copies is not a fair comparison whatsoever....

Added cost of doing what? The courses have already been designed. Yeah the copying of these courses on an extra disk is so cost prohibitive even though Links on the PC would sometimes give you 3 discs for the courses to install the complete game.

Far Cry on the PC had 4 discs for installation a few years ago and I could guarantee you they had less than half the sales of the TW franchise who somehow can pay Tiger a gazillion dollars to be the face of the game but can't put out an extra disc cost wise for one platform. If that argument had any legitimacy then they could simply allow Xbox users to DL the courses on to owner's hardrives. It's a cash grab plain and simple. Don't ry and defend it any other way.

[shaunjuan2000]

The description of Hazeltine on Gamestop's website, is wrong IMO.. Its on the 360 but not on the ps3. I would assume there are no differences between the 2 as far as course lists are concerned.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

Added cost of doing what? The courses have already been designed. Yeah the copying of these courses on an extra disk is so cost prohibitive even though Links on the PC would sometimes give you 3 discs for the courses to install the complete game.

Added cost of re-working courses when they make changes and the cost of adding a second DVD. Links added additional CD's, not DVD's and Links 2003 shipped with SIX courses. Poor comparison.

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

Far Cry on the PC had 4 discs for installation a few years ago and I could guarantee you they had less than half the sales of the TW franchise who somehow can pay Tiger a gazillion dollars to be the face of the game but can't put out an extra disc cost wise for one platform. If that argument had any legitimacy then they could simply allow Xbox users to DL the courses on to owner's hardrives. It's a cash grab plain and simple. Don't ry and defend it any other way.

Again, another poor comparison. And I can guarantee you Far Cry did NOT have half the sales of TW....I am not defending anything other than the facts. The issue is very simple....adding another DVD to TW for 360 would add additional cost to the game and would cost 360 users more than PS3 users. You also dismiss the fact that MS and Sony charge EA a fee to host the courses for download, so there is another cost you completely dismiss. Argue all you like, but the facts are indisputable.

[shaunjuan2000]

I think Microsoft should get off their butts and develop a new system that allows its users to use blu-ray then the whole point would be moot. Thats why I own a ps3, not an XBox 360.

[JayhawkerStL]

Quote: Originally Posted by shaunjuan2000

I think Microsoft should get off their butts and develop a new system that allows its users to use blu-ray then the whole point would be moot. Thats why I own a ps3, not an XBox 360.

The reaity is, PS3 and 360 owners are far more likely to buy DLC than Wii owners. Disc size is not the hold-up. They want our cash.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

Added cost of re-working courses when they make changes and the cost of adding a second DVD. Links added additional CD's, not DVD's and Links 2003 shipped with SIX courses. Poor comparison. Again, another poor comparison. And I can guarantee you Far Cry did NOT have half the sales of TW....I am not defending anything other than the facts. The issue is very simple....adding another DVD to TW for 360 would add additional cost to the game and would cost 360 users more than PS3 users. You also dismiss the fact that MS and Sony charge EA a fee to host the courses for download, so there is another cost you completely dismiss. Argue all you like, but the facts are indisputable.

You want a poor comparison then the bolded part is it. 10 years ago it would have cost the Links 2000 game a hell of alot more for additonal CD's then it does EA now for additional DVD's. Have you seen the prices of blank CD's and DVD's these days. They are both dirt cheap to the point the cost is negligable.

Again by that flawed logic then no movie studios would ever issue an extra DVD for bonus material for thier films if it was so cost prohibitive. When new movie DVD's come out many films debut at the same prices be it single DVDs or double DVDs. You make it sound like it's a crime that Xbox users be charged a couple of dollars extra because of known storage limitations. EA has no problem charging PS3 and Xbox gamers $10 extra for thier games over the Wii version for superior graphics. There are multi platform games like Batman's Arkham Asylum that gave the PS3 valuable DL content such as playing as the Joker that the Xbox didn't get so giving the PS3 maybe 3 or 4 extra courses is not the end of the world.

How would you solve this problem? Charge $5 extra for both PS3 and Xbox games if it ensures that we get all 28 courses. I would have no problem as a PS3 owner with that especially considering it would probably cost you about $50 extra to pay for all the DLC they will offer now.

You defend EA logically for alot things but this isn't one of them. The Xbox's limitations is simply used as an excuse to gouge the consumer. When the next gen systems come out with alot of storage space we will still get DLC as long as the gullible public still buys it because they don't need that many to buy them because it's pure profit for EA.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

You defend EA logically for alot things but this isn't one of them. The Xbox's limitations is simply used as an excuse to gouge the consumer. When the next gen systems come out with alot of storage space we will still get DLC as long as the gullible public still buys it because they don't need that many to buy them because it's pure profit for EA.

Not defending EA, just explaining the reasons with the facts. You don't accept them...fine. No skin off my nose. And when I post here or anywhere, I defend MY opinions and the facts that I am privileged to know through EA's TW Dev Teams....